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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 06:57 PM
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I am surprised no one picked up one this........its not the hp that matters......its the HP to weight ratio.

I think the Equinox will be one of the heavier SUVs in its class. Thus offsetting any minor power gains it does have.

Looks great though.

Much like the Saturn Redline--I think FWD and AWD will be on the SS. Just for those who don't need/can't afford the AWD but want better performance.
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 02:08 AM
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Is this the same 3400 that they were putting in Camaros in the early-mid 90's? Just tweaked a bit?
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Meccadeth
Is this the same 3400 that they were putting in Camaros in the early-mid 90's? Just tweaked a bit?
Its the same as the current 3400 V6, as found in the Impala, Grand Am, Montana ect.

Of course it is based off the same 60 degree as the 4th gens 3.4L V6 but has different heads, intake, cam ect. So its better then the F-body one but thats not saying much. I think the 3400 came out in 97 or 98.
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 09:25 AM
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Yeah but that's the same basic engine as the 2.8v6 that goes deep into the 80s....time for some more modern powerplants there GM. I've never been impressed with the 90* v6. Its not terribly efficient, which is why the 3800 in the f-body made more power and got better mileage.
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Well, the AWD Saturn Vue (same chassis) is 3630 lbs curb weight.
And the Saturn V6 is the 250 HP Honda unit. Sure doesn't make for a tough decision.
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Yeah but that's the same basic engine as the 2.8v6 that goes deep into the 80s....time for some more modern powerplants there GM. I've never been impressed with the 90* v6. Its not terribly efficient, which is why the 3800 in the f-body made more power and got better mileage.
I think you mean 60* V6? The 2.8/3.1/3.4 is a 60* and the 3.8 is a 90*.

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Old Mar 12, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Equinox is much better looking than the VUE. The Equinox needs a more potent engine.
Old Mar 12, 2004 | 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Yeah but that's the same basic engine as the 2.8v6 that goes deep into the 80s....time for some more modern powerplants there GM. I've never been impressed with the 90* v6. Its not terribly efficient, which is why the 3800 in the f-body made more power and got better mileage.
You can't really complain about the age of the 60 degree engine---the 90 degree is much older. Plus the only reason why it makes more power is that it has 3.8L.

Comparing the 3.4L, it yields slightly better hp/litre.

Personlly I like the 60 degree much better---smoother, better sounding and more compact.

3800 was good in its day but now its time to die

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Old Mar 13, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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its time for both the 3400 and the 3800 to die. its been time about 5-7 years ago. both these engines need to be replaced by the 3500 RIGHT NOW. the 3900 when it comes out will just be icing on the cake. the 3500 and 3900 aren't exactly tech marvels (200hp from 3.5liters? they can do much better), and still have 15% of old parts from the 3400(and its bros) but they aren't meant to be high tech. and at least they are sufficiently reworked to deliver smooth, quiet power output and get better fuel economy while still being cheap to manufacture.

but like i said before, my hunch is there just isn't enough 3500s to go around right now.
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 11:24 AM
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Somewhat odd that the Equinox uses a pushrod GM V6 that's made in China, while the VUE uses a OHC Honda V6 that's made in the US

If I'm not mistaken, the VUE does significantly better in the EPA's fuel-economy rankings, while providing more power.

Sure would be nice to see a new generation of pushrod V6s that were basically downsized GenIII/IV V8s, instead of rehashes of 20(30?)-year-old designs.
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by morb|d
the 3500 and 3900 aren't exactly tech marvels (200hp from 3.5liters? they can do much better),
The 3900 will have DoD and VVT and cost less and get better gas milage than equally powered DOHC V6 engine.

The 3500 is also more fuel effecient than just about every other 200HP OHC V6. I'd rather have a "low tech engine" that gets better milage and cost a lot less than a more expensive OHC that has less torque, worse milage and adds over $1000+ to the cost of the car. I remember reading once that a Honda DOHC V6 cost more to build than a LS1.
Old Mar 15, 2004 | 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Z28x
The 3900 will have DoD and VVT and cost less and get better gas milage than equally powered DOHC V6 engine.

The 3500 is also more fuel effecient than just about every other 200HP OHC V6. I'd rather have a "low tech engine" that gets better milage and cost a lot less than a more expensive OHC that has less torque, worse milage and adds over $1000+ to the cost of the car. I remember reading once that a Honda DOHC V6 cost more to build than a LS1.
you must have missed the part of my post where I point out the positive qualities of those engines...
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