EPA Issues New Fuel Economy Window Stickers
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The CAFE testing will still be done using the old test, CAFE and Gas Guzzler numbers will not be affected. The new testing is strictly for the numbers on the window sticker, not CAFE.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06016.pdf
Start at the bottom of page 5
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06016.pdf
Start at the bottom of page 5
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Two things I noticed with several vehicles I owned over the years, including my Z28.
Only once I managed to get 9.5L per 100 km in my 5.7L Z28, highway driving between 70 and 80 mph. This equals about 25 mpg. Most of the time my highway mileage was 12 L per 100 km (not quite 20 mpg), and city driving averaged 16 L per 100 km (14.5 mpg). Occasionally, in the winter, I got mileage as bad as 12 mpg.
My current car, 4.2L V8 A6 also gets mileage that is about 40-50% over its rated mileage in the city. Highway is accurate as long as i'm driving 55 - 60 mph, anything above it and it gets 20 % worse.
I do not think I drive particularly aggressively, nor do I idle extensively. But our city traffic in the greater Toronto area is something to contend with during rush hour, where it can be literally bumper to bumper, inch by inch traffic. Maybe that's a factor, and I wish EPA (or Canadian equivalent) would rate their cars in more realistic surroundings, also paying attention to big cities for traffic (about 18% of Canada's population lives in the Greater Toronto Area, not counting other big cities like Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, etc..)
Only once I managed to get 9.5L per 100 km in my 5.7L Z28, highway driving between 70 and 80 mph. This equals about 25 mpg. Most of the time my highway mileage was 12 L per 100 km (not quite 20 mpg), and city driving averaged 16 L per 100 km (14.5 mpg). Occasionally, in the winter, I got mileage as bad as 12 mpg.
My current car, 4.2L V8 A6 also gets mileage that is about 40-50% over its rated mileage in the city. Highway is accurate as long as i'm driving 55 - 60 mph, anything above it and it gets 20 % worse.
I do not think I drive particularly aggressively, nor do I idle extensively. But our city traffic in the greater Toronto area is something to contend with during rush hour, where it can be literally bumper to bumper, inch by inch traffic. Maybe that's a factor, and I wish EPA (or Canadian equivalent) would rate their cars in more realistic surroundings, also paying attention to big cities for traffic (about 18% of Canada's population lives in the Greater Toronto Area, not counting other big cities like Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, etc..)
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sounds like the CTS-V. You can do the 1-4 skip shift(which sucks) and try to baby it and still get ****ty mileage. Does better on Highway at 80-85 than I thought though.
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The CAFE testing will still be done using the old test, CAFE and Gas Guzzler numbers will not be affected. The new testing is strictly for the numbers on the window sticker, not CAFE.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06016.pdf
Start at the bottom of page 5
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06016.pdf
Start at the bottom of page 5
CAFE is a crock anyway.
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What I found most interesting (and why I emphasized it) is the information with respect to hybrid vehicles…it would seem that the MPG advantage of hybrid vehicles is even less of an advantage than people have been led to believe; couple that with their increased cost to purchase and to repair and I think it is clear, at least to me, that hybrid technology is not the powertrain of the future. Yet, both GM and Toyota are full-speed-ahead on hybrid technology (as per the thread I started yesterday - http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=489629 ).
As a side note... this rating may have the unanticipated effect of making more people buy hybrids. People may not like going to buy a new car and seeing the mileage drop over their last model. Food for thought.
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Every car I've owned has gotten me the sticker or better, except for my '93 Z28 (best I could do was 23mpg highway). Every one- city and highway. Most exceed by an mpg or two (or 3-4, in the case of my new '06TL).
I think they've gone too restrictive with the new limits. 20F start is not the year-round average for the US. 80mph is probably not the average top speed for most on a typical highway cycle.
And, personally, I hope they don't change CAFE one iota. When a Camry comes with 270hp, the whole game has gotten stupid. It's time to start pushing MPG more aggressively, IMO.
I think they've gone too restrictive with the new limits. 20F start is not the year-round average for the US. 80mph is probably not the average top speed for most on a typical highway cycle.
And, personally, I hope they don't change CAFE one iota. When a Camry comes with 270hp, the whole game has gotten stupid. It's time to start pushing MPG more aggressively, IMO.
Getting the current sticker fuel economy is definately being in the minority. These changes were greatly needed. Especially for the poor saps who believed the hybrid claims, only to be pissed off at the real world driving numbers. I think these tests do just that. Show real world driving conditions.
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