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Old Dec 20, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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This is the end...

So the predictions of the death of the modern musclecar has started.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317556,00.html

I don't think performance cars are going to disappear, but I do think they are going to evolve into something that I will not like in the least.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 08:41 AM
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I think ultra performance cars will persevere - they are too low volume to worry about. But the everyday performance cars may have to change over time.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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Once I see all mid/full SUVs die then I'll be worried. CTS which is the heavier than a Camaro and uses the same V6 engine gets 18/26 from its 3.6L. The 436HP Corvette is rated at 16/26. Toyota 4runner gets 14/17mpg. What one do you think will die first.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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I saw that blip on my local news this morning.

The question is would we buy a smaller/lighter Corvette or Camaro if it was powered by a smaller more efficent engine?

In other words, would you consider a Corvette or Z28 powered by a V6 turbo-diesel? Or should we simply kill off the current models and start over fresh?
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
I saw that blip on my local news this morning.

The question is would we buy a smaller/lighter Corvette or Camaro if it was powered by a smaller more efficent engine?

In other words, would you consider a Corvette or Z28 powered by a V6 turbo-diesel? Or should we simply kill off the current models and start over fresh?

Everytime that question is asked around here it turns into a 3-4 page wine fest with everyone, basically, complianing it's not the 'good 'ol days' or it the death of America of something else along that worn out ideology.

What has historically been the character of cars like the Corvette and Camaro? Handling numbers combined with a nimble feeling in a sexy package. That doesn't mandate a V8 anymore.

I'll admit I would miss the roar of a V8 at WOT but I'm concerned with the whole package (I actually drive my cars, not park them and talk abut driving). Initially it may seem counter intuitive, but I realy think car will be become MORE fun with LESS horsepower. The weight cycle would be ale to reverse itself to positive returns, and I can't see why the LSX technonogy couldn't be put into a world class hi-po V6 or even small displacement V8, say in the 4.5L range.

The world's evolving. The future generation of hot rodders or speed freaks are going to be electrical engineers and computer savy enthusiasts. You have to accept that, or fade noisily into obscurity.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Gasoline isn't going to be around forever. Someday we are going to have an electric Corvette and/or Camaro.

I'd rather have a Corvette with the Tesla setup than no Corvette at all.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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If anyone has chance to watch "Future Car: The Fuel" I recommend doing so. It's very informative on the diverging technologies out there. As Z28x said, gasoline is going the way of the dodo and we need to find alternatives. There will need to be more than one answer to the problem.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Its foxnews.../thread
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Gasoline isn't going to be around forever. Someday we are going to have an electric Corvette and/or Camaro.

I'd rather have a Corvette with the Tesla setup than no Corvette at all.
Hope I am dead by then...
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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Hope I am dead by then...
Plan on dying within the next decade?
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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No matter what happens they can't stop me from driving my 5th Gen Camaro until I can't drive anymore.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Plan on dying within the next decade?
I don't think we'll see an electric Vette within the next decade...
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gripenfelter
Its foxnews.../thread
My thoughts Exactly
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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I agree.

Now if it were CNN....whoooaaaa....then it would be reliable, pertinent news! Unbiased, no agenda, on my side, yada yada yada.

Yup. CNN. That's the ticket. Or perhaps MSNBC.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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I know they're all bad, in one respect or another. I just don't like FOx the most. O'Reily does his job. He pisses me off to no end.

Anyways, what I was implying, was if GM had released a statement saying doom-and-gloom stuff...which they are, btw. then I'd be worried a little.
So consider me worried a little.



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