Articles like this really make me think about all the SS vs Z28 comparisons we've done here. I really wish they would put out a "bruiser" suspension option that would set the car up for maximum handling, while keeping the engine and brakes of the SS. It would seem that THAT car would end the discussion w/ the Mustang.

 

Given the level of equipment and difference in power, the SS should wipe the floor with the GT (and in a drag race it does), but even at a good .7 seconds the gap should be bigger on a road course.

Would it? The Mustangs brakes and power have room for serious improvement and the track pack is far from a "bruiser" suspension.

The S-197 GT-S (or whatever they called the actual Shelby tuned Mustang - not to be confused with the GT500 - the name escapes me at the moment) featured a more "hardcore" and somewhat adjustable suspension straight from the FRPP catalog.

 

shelby gt or sgt for short.

 

Dude, I'd rather have the weight advantage - bar none. Did you see the repeated G-load over 1.0 on the test car?!?! 1.02, 1.12 cornering ... OMFG!
I can bolt on a couple hundred dollars worth of go-fast and be lethal.
You can't "bolt-out" a few hundred pounds so easily.


As for the displacement... call me in a couple months )Dec or Jan maybe)...

5.4 ... no.
5.x ... yes.
In the 400's ... yes.

Love ya, mean it!

 

What you fail to acknowledge is that the car will not be able to maintain that level of performance for all 100 laps - EITHER car. The tires, brakes, etc will likely fade sooner on a heavier car than the lighter vehicle's components. That is when the better-proportioned, better set-up vehicle will prevail.

IMO, the likely case here is actually the opposite of your prediction. The Camaro will run away for several laps, then they will equalize, and then the Mustang will likely post quicker laps as the both car's tires heat-up and the brakes age. Notice the Mustang is cornering over 1.0g repeatedly, meaning that the car is "set-up" to lead-in, apex, and lead-out smoother than the Camaro, helping to keep tire heat and wear under control.

Been there, done it.
I can get about 4-5 laps on the local 2.7-mile road course at my car's limits before the tires go away (my tires go before the brakes). Then the same throttle work that was posting great times for me turn into powerslides and tire smoke... you back off for a few laps and let them cool, and you get about 2 more laps at car's max before it happens again. If I adjust back on heavy throttle and do more late-braking to speed through turns, I can shift the fade pattern from the tires to the brakes and they become my weak link. Balancing these characteristics is the art that sets the great drivers apart from the average ones on a track. :thimb:

 

It will be interesting to see what happens with the 5.X Mustang and a "track pack" Camaro. Yes, the Camaro weighs more, but if it can handle the extra weight better with a different suspension, then what?

Running a car into the corners and having high lateral g's isn't exactly going to keep the tires cool. Besides, when these cars actually race at events, there will be large differences in weight because most of the creature comforts will be removed from both cars. Yes the Camaro will still weigh more, but it will help the tires and brakes last longer.

 

Thanks I couldn't remeber the SGT moniker to save my life.

I'm hoping the 5.0 doesn't dissapoint (really hoping the lighter than MOD motor rumors are true). Although from 2005 to 2010 an extra 49 cubes in all aluminum trim would have been nice in the 3v format.

 

Try to stay with us Guy. That's 0.7 sec per lap and .6 mph per lap. Over a race of several laps, assuming identical performance each lap, that is indeed annihilation.

 

Is that really the current rumor? 400+ from a 5.0 is darned impressive. I know Lexus did it, but that's on an engine with Variable And Direct Everything, whereas the new Ford 5.0 was to be a port injected engine.

 

I don't know Proud. I'm hearing mixed info too. I think there might end up being some disappointed Ford fans.

There is a difference between durability/development tuning and production tuning.

 

I've heard 360-400 for the 5.0, but hell even another 45hp over the current engine (if the 5.0 is mass neutral or lighter compared to the MOD) wont be a bad thing. Combined with the available 3.73 gears, it might crack the 12s

 

I hardly think 400/400 in a naturally-aspirated motor that is roughly equal in weight to the 4.6 will dissapoint. Also, bear in mind that Ford is KNOWN for working with aftermarket and tuner shops to make bolt-ons and mods that are simple and effective for the buyer that wants to tweek, so how hard will it be to swap exhausts or slap a chip in for another 50 horse or so, much less a blower? If anything, I'll hand you that this engine might - and I mean slight-chance "might" - be vulnerable to high-psi blown applications. Time will tell on that one because we know it will happen.

IREngineer, ISO, J1 = w48-d5.

All I can say is that I know someone personally that has been working on parts for this unit for a while now. It exists, has been tested for a good while, and is looking great.

This link is already 3 months old, and you are looking at a pre-prod Mustang fitment. They've been put into Fusion, F-150, Mustang, Falcon, and others for testing already with good overall results.

I also know someone making parts for these, and proposed timing.

 

Did you let a ricer use your computer?

 

Dude, come on. I can't believe you gave me the "chip and exhaust" line. I guess Jake beat me to it...

Anyway, I think there was a misunderstanding. I meant that I think Ford fans will be disappointed in that everyone is assuming the 400hp rumor is fact. I know there are 400hp tunes being used in development and testing, but that doesn't mean that's what the final engine output will be. There were ZR1 test mules with almost 700hp.

I agree that the 2011 is still on schedule with all powertrain changes intact. And I am familiar with more than a friend that makes parts for it .

 

Fusion??