Dodge Challengers Recalled
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Dodge Challengers Recalled
I'm surprised this wasn't posted yet.
I believe that's all of the Challengers
http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/...all_87856.html
I believe that's all of the Challengers
http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/...all_87856.html
NHTSA Campaign Number: 08V458000
Vehicle/Equipment Make: DODGE
Vehicle/Eqipment Model: CHALLENGER
Model Year: 2009
Mfg Campaign Number: H29
Mfg Component Desc: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:PARK/NEUTRAL START SWITCH
Mfg Involved in Recall: CHRYSLER LLC
Manufacture Dates: 10-23-07 through 08-19-08
Type of Report: (V) Vehicle
Potential # of Units Affected: 6,636
Date Owner Notified by Mfg:
Recall Initiated By: MFR
Mfg Responsible for Recall: CHRYSLER LLC
Report Recieved Date: 09-08-08
Record Creation Date: 09-08-08
Regulation Part Number: 571
FMVSS Number: 114
Defect Summary:
CHRYSLER IS RECALLING 6,636 MY 2008-2009 DODGE CHALLENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS AND "KEYLESS GO" OPTION FOR FAILING TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 114, "THEFT PREVENTION." IF THE STOP/START BUTTON IS PRESSED AND HELD AND THE ENGINE TURNS OFF, THE ELECTRONIC KEY CODE IS REMOVED FROM THE VEHICLE. SINCE THIS CAN OCCUR IN A TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR POSITION OTHER THAN "PARK," AND THE TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR DOES NOT BECOME LOCKED IN "PARK" AS A DIRECT RESULT OF KEY REMOVAL, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A NONCOMPLIANCE MAY EXIST.
Consequence Summary:
THIS STANDARD SPECIFIES VEHICLE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS INTENDED TO REDUCE THE INCIDENCE OF CRASHES RESULTING FROM THEFT AND ACCIDENTAL ROLLAWAY OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
Corrective Summary: DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE WIRELESS IGNITION NODE MODULE SO THE ENGINE CAN ONLY BE TURNED OFF WHEN THE TRANSMISSION AND GEAR SELECTOR IS IN THE "PARK" POSITION. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 15, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.
Vehicle/Equipment Make: DODGE
Vehicle/Eqipment Model: CHALLENGER
Model Year: 2009
Mfg Campaign Number: H29
Mfg Component Desc: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:PARK/NEUTRAL START SWITCH
Mfg Involved in Recall: CHRYSLER LLC
Manufacture Dates: 10-23-07 through 08-19-08
Type of Report: (V) Vehicle
Potential # of Units Affected: 6,636
Date Owner Notified by Mfg:
Recall Initiated By: MFR
Mfg Responsible for Recall: CHRYSLER LLC
Report Recieved Date: 09-08-08
Record Creation Date: 09-08-08
Regulation Part Number: 571
FMVSS Number: 114
Defect Summary:
CHRYSLER IS RECALLING 6,636 MY 2008-2009 DODGE CHALLENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS AND "KEYLESS GO" OPTION FOR FAILING TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 114, "THEFT PREVENTION." IF THE STOP/START BUTTON IS PRESSED AND HELD AND THE ENGINE TURNS OFF, THE ELECTRONIC KEY CODE IS REMOVED FROM THE VEHICLE. SINCE THIS CAN OCCUR IN A TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR POSITION OTHER THAN "PARK," AND THE TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR DOES NOT BECOME LOCKED IN "PARK" AS A DIRECT RESULT OF KEY REMOVAL, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A NONCOMPLIANCE MAY EXIST.
Consequence Summary:
THIS STANDARD SPECIFIES VEHICLE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS INTENDED TO REDUCE THE INCIDENCE OF CRASHES RESULTING FROM THEFT AND ACCIDENTAL ROLLAWAY OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
Corrective Summary: DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE WIRELESS IGNITION NODE MODULE SO THE ENGINE CAN ONLY BE TURNED OFF WHEN THE TRANSMISSION AND GEAR SELECTOR IS IN THE "PARK" POSITION. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 15, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.
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So you can't kill the engine in drive like you can any keyed car made for the last 50 years.
My first thought is who cares either way.
My second is I've had to throw my own car in neutral and kill it when the throttle got stuck open.
It would suck not to be able to turn the car off in an emergency.
My first thought is who cares either way.
My second is I've had to throw my own car in neutral and kill it when the throttle got stuck open.
It would suck not to be able to turn the car off in an emergency.
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It would suck to have a recall on a vehicle that the paint has not dried on yet. 
This is not huge, but my confidence level in the "new" Chrysler's ability to develop and successfully launch a vehicle just went way down.
Soon, we may have another thread about which of the big 3 are in best/worst shape to pull through the recession.
This is not huge, but my confidence level in the "new" Chrysler's ability to develop and successfully launch a vehicle just went way down.
Soon, we may have another thread about which of the big 3 are in best/worst shape to pull through the recession.
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So you can't kill the engine in drive like you can any keyed car made for the last 50 years.
My first thought is who cares either way.
My second is I've had to throw my own car in neutral and kill it when the throttle got stuck open.
It would suck not to be able to turn the car off in an emergency.
My first thought is who cares either way.
My second is I've had to throw my own car in neutral and kill it when the throttle got stuck open.
It would suck not to be able to turn the car off in an emergency.
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You can do the same thing with any of the old "square ignition key" GMs if the last tooth on the key (the one at the tip of the blade) becomes excessively worn. Both my '78 K5 and my '85 G20 van had that same "feature".
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It would suck to have a recall on a vehicle that the paint has not dried on yet.
This is not huge, but my confidence level in the "new" Chrysler's ability to develop and successfully launch a vehicle just went way down.
Soon, we may have another thread about which of the big 3 are in best/worst shape to pull through the recession.
This is not huge, but my confidence level in the "new" Chrysler's ability to develop and successfully launch a vehicle just went way down.
Soon, we may have another thread about which of the big 3 are in best/worst shape to pull through the recession.
You can pull the key out without the car being in park
That's it.
It used to be the norm in cars. But nowadays, for some reason or another, it just happens to be against Federal rules so Chrysler has to fix it.
As someone else said, it's not like the thing has the potential to burst in flames, replacing engines or parts due to self clogging antifreeze, having tailgates flip open or fall off, frames rusting in half or having improperly installed bolts..... issue that have plagued GM & Toyota in the past recent years.
Ford seems to actually be the only company (US or import) to have escaped recalls the past number of years.
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Uh, I think this only affects the "keyless" ignition cars, if I read it correctly. Sounds like you can punch the start/stop button and kill the engine, then exit the vehicle without having to put the tranny in park first, and this is a violation of some federal standard of some kind?
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Uh, I think this only affects the "keyless" ignition cars, if I read it correctly. Sounds like you can punch the start/stop button and kill the engine, then exit the vehicle without having to put the tranny in park first, and this is a violation of some federal standard of some kind?
Like a manual transmission, you can turn off the car and leave it while it's still in neutral. I guess I can see the logic in it being against rules. A average auto tranny driver probally won't check to make sure the car's in park before exiting the car.
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I drive a manual most of the time (my S-10) so I sometimes forget to put the corolla or silverado in Park when I shut them off, but because the key won't come out... DUH, you left the car/truck in D again...
I see this as a necessary recall, no key means no "duh" reminder.
I see this as a necessary recall, no key means no "duh" reminder.
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Further "IF THE STOP/START BUTTON IS PRESSED AND HELD AND THE ENGINE TURNS OFF, THE ELECTRONIC KEY CODE IS REMOVED FROM THE VEHICLE. SINCE THIS CAN OCCUR IN A TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR POSITION OTHER THAN "PARK," AND THE TRANSMISSION OR GEAR SELECTOR DOES NOT BECOME LOCKED IN "PARK" AS A DIRECT RESULT OF KEY REMOVAL, "
I read that text very plainly as the "electronic key code" is the key which is "removed" when the engine is stopped which can happen not in park. Since we've already established there is no physical key insertion (nor is one mentioend anywhere in the text), what else could they possibly be referring to as a key except the "electronic key".
I agree with Aaron. On one hand, i can understand the concern over dumbasses leaving the car in something other than park and having it roll away, at the same time, i think this highlights the stupidity of "keyless start" systems since there is apparently no way to kill the engine in an emergency while driving, Throwing it in neutral and letting it bump the rev limiter until it explodes is a poor substitute IMO. I think i'll just stick with having a key.
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Sounds like a stupid, obsolete rule.
It used to be (in the ‘60s) that you could start and drive almost any carbureted car with almost nothing in the way of tools (like a wire coat hanger), unless the steering wheel and/or shifter were locked. Modern cars are a little more complicated but we are stuck with the same dumb rules.