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View Poll Results: Do you want a black-box in your car?
Sure! (The more data someone gets on me the better!)
7
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NO Way! (I don't want no stinkin' spy trailing me!)
45
76.27%
Don't know - Don't care. (What's the difference? Does it cost more?)
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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Angry I freakin' hate big brother. Remember when we used to be FREE?

Black Boxes have one purpose - LAWSUITS. There is no need for these things unless you are going to SUE someone. The automakers do enough crash testing on their own. I'm sure every lawyer and insurance company is chomping at the bit for this one, as they both stand to make A LOT of money at the expense of US.

Of course, their lobbiests will sell this as a "Safety" feature, just like those red light cameras. "How can you oppose this, it's for the safety of your children?" they will say. Meanwhile the system is set up for the primary purpose of raking in money. [Back to those red light cameras, there are many instances of the companies running the operations doing things like shortening the yellows, moving the sensors towards the intersection, and anything else to make you run a red light (or at least appear to on film). For example, DC sent out something like 20,000 citations BY MISTAKE. When they found it, do you think anyone got their money back??? Hell no!]

Then, when you try and disable the system like in the quote below, if anything happened (even if you weren't at fault) you sure would look like you were up to no good if you ended up in front of one of the lawyers... I mean....why would you hide the info if you've got nothing to hide???


Originally Posted by RoMaD
They don't really bother me just because I have faith in the hacker community to come up with a way to defeat this before I would buy a car with this type of technology. In techonology, when you make a better mouse trap, the opposing side just makes a better mouse. There is no "end game" here. It's just a technological tit for tat.
Old Aug 11, 2004 | 07:15 PM
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Re: I freakin' hate big brother. Remember when we used to be FREE?

Originally Posted by WERM
Of course, their lobbiests will sell this as a "Safety" feature, just like those red light cameras.
I feel the same way about red light cameras.

I often let others drive my vehicles... my mom or dad, wife, in-laws, friends need to borrow my truck to move a fridge, etc. If a red light cam shoots the back of my vehicle, and the citation comes to ME because the tags are registered to me, I then have to spend time and money going to the courthouse to prove my INNOCENCE! Whereas if a cop pulls you over, he gets your license, and YOU get the ticket (deserved or not is another issue), but the DRIVER gets the citation, not the person whose name is on the registration.

Same applies to black boxes. What if you let someone borrow your car (or worse yet a technicial at the shop where you took it for tires or service) takes your car for a joy-ride into triple-digits, unbeknownst to you. Next time you go in for dealer service, they cancel your warranty because you bumped the rev limiter or exceeded recommended speeds. I didn't do it!

Me no likey.

PS - how do you GM guys/gals feel knowing that you already have them in your cars (since 1994)?
Old Sep 7, 2004 | 02:03 PM
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Re: I freakin' hate big brother. Remember when we used to be FREE?

Originally Posted by WERM
Black Boxes have one purpose - LAWSUITS. There is no need for these things unless you are going to SUE someone. The automakers do enough crash testing on their own. I'm sure every lawyer and insurance company is chomping at the bit for this one, as they both stand to make A LOT of money at the expense of US.

Of course, their lobbiests will sell this as a "Safety" feature, just like those red light cameras. "How can you oppose this, it's for the safety of your children?" they will say. Meanwhile the system is set up for the primary purpose of raking in money. [Back to those red light cameras, there are many instances of the companies running the operations doing things like shortening the yellows, moving the sensors towards the intersection, and anything else to make you run a red light (or at least appear to on film). For example, DC sent out something like 20,000 citations BY MISTAKE. When they found it, do you think anyone got their money back??? Hell no!]

Then, when you try and disable the system like in the quote below, if anything happened (even if you weren't at fault) you sure would look like you were up to no good if you ended up in front of one of the lawyers... I mean....why would you hide the info if you've got nothing to hide???

You said it. Here's another one.
Lawsuit in Ky

It thrills me to know that Ford has black boxes in all their stuff since 2002.
I hate to say it, but we are going to be watched by big brother whether we want it or not - have been for a few years now.
Y'all be carefull what you say while you are driving in these new cars... he might be LISTENING too.
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