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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 02:57 AM
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I thought the FX and Murano where on the same chassis?
Nope. FX is on the G35/350Z platform while Murano is on the Altima/Maxima platform. Murano is transverse engine and Front/All wheel drive, while the FX is longitudinal engine and Rear/All wheel drive.


The GTP I think might fit her, but again, I don't think she'll like it as much as she did the Maxima. BUT I will TRY to get her to buy GM. The CTS stands the best chance right now. I know next to nothing about Bimmers, so that will be an interesting day at the dealership if she decides to check those out.
What about a nice, supercharged, Buick Regal? Or Impala SS?
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by Meccadeth
Sorry to the origonal poster for somewhat hijacking this...

I thought the FX and Murano where on the same chassis?

I never thought about the GTO, thank you, I'll get her to look at one. Shes not really looking for a coupe, but the GTO is bigger than a regular coupe like a G35 so it might stand a chance. I've driven the new GTP and the new Maxima had MUCH better materials and features. It didn't feel as peppy but it was up there. I'm getting my g/f to look at a few GP's too before we're done looking. She wants to get a car within the next two months, so I think a G6 is out of the question. I also want her to look at the new Malibu's too. I WANT her to get a GM car, but honestly, there isn't much thats fit for her. A Malibu is nice and everything, but she wants more features and something thats a little less A to B-ish. The GTO might be too sporty and powerful for her The GTP I think might fit her, but again, I don't think she'll like it as much as she did the Maxima. BUT I will TRY to get her to buy GM. The CTS stands the best chance right now. I know next to nothing about Bimmers, so that will be an interesting day at the dealership if she decides to check those out.
I had thought the Murano and FX were also on the same chassis because they are very similar, but now the Murano uses the Altima/Maxima chassis. Teal98 beat me too it.

The GTO is basicly a 4dr car, but converted to 2dr. The Commodore is the 4dr car built along side the Monaro/GTO. The GTO is a very civil muslce car. Its not as radical as the fbodies, but it will get hairy if you dont watch out. Its still 350hp under the hood. The rear seats of the GTO are about as roomy as the front. I sat in a GTO and loved the feel of everything. All the materials were fantastic, and everything was so well put. Bravo to Holden. They know how to make a great car in and out. Only problem is that some GTO's have mark ups as high as 10k!! Its pretty sick what they are doing to the price of a car. I saw a 400 dollar "appearance package" on one GTO... it looked exactly like every other single GTO I have ever seen.
Anyway, go check out the GTO. she might not be able to test drive one because some dealers only have 1 GTO on the lot, and people dont want there brand new cars with 250miles on it before delivery. They are very clean and sweet looking. They arent in your face like the TA was, but the GTO is a very smooth and slick car.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 06:35 AM
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Now if your comparing the G35 sedan to teh CTS sedan, the G35 sedan does make more hp. at 280hp to the CTS's top V6 of 255hp, but the CTS's handling is probably better.
Umm...short of the V, the G35 Sedan is the better handling car. Driven both, thank you. G35 Sedan is 260 HP, Coupe is 280 -- single exhaust vs. dual

Now if your looking at the G35 coupe, why not look at the GTO? Better build quality and massive amounts of power. That might be a turn off for your gf.
It's very ironic that this topic came up. My mom called me over the weekend to tell me she picked up her G35 sedan. Here are some things of note coming from our conversation. She was shopping the G35, CTS, GTO, 330i and IS300...

CTS - Short of the V (a touch out of their price range), she wasn't really interested. She was coming from an old ('94) Lincoln Town Car and Caddy still has too much of the 'old lady' stigma. My personal driving impression from several months ago: :blah:

GTO - The local dealer (Ewing in Plano for you Dallas peeps) said she had sold the two they ordered and basically shrugged her shoulders at my parents. Shoved a catalog at them and that was that. (Typical Pontiac customer service ) If this is supposed to be an image car for Pontiac, shouldn't they have some sort of certified salespeople for this thing. After a crappy shopping experience, my parents didn't even care to go to another Pontiac dealer. (Bit of a moot point, my mom said she thought it was a Cavalier at the auto show )

IS300 - Nice car overall, but had a bit of the boy racer image. Handled well, a bit underpowered. She said it needed a stick. Customer treatment was excellent.

G35 - Handled very well; handled even better with the sport package (basically shocks and springs). Had the right ammenities for the right price. She liked the styling and the salesmen treated them right. Wham bam here's your new car. I believe sticker was a hair over $34k (no nav. or aero kit). They ended up going for 3/36k maintenance and the extended 72mo/100k bumper to bumper. Luxury buying is a completely different experience. They pick her car up and drop off a loaner to change the damn oil...

She bought the G35 before they got to the Bimmers. 3 was a tad smallish and the 5 was again a bit out of their price range.

Just thought I'd share a very recent buying experience.

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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
If you are gunna go look at these two, I suggest a BMW at this rate. Much better quality then both the CTS and Infinity(especialy the infinity) and hey its a BMW. Im not the one to push BMW, but I just call it as I see it.


BMW has better quality than Cadillac?

I think not, and JD Powers agrees with me.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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i have a thing for the G35 coupe with the wing and the 18 inch wheels... looks just BAD ***.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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BMW has better quality than Cadillac?

I think not, and JD Powers agrees with me.
as much as I love GM and am a loyalits, I find that the CTS's interior doesnt match the likes of the 3 or 5 series. Ive been in both, I know that the 3 and 5 are much better then the CTS. Gotta give credit where credit is due. The CTS could use a bit of an interior make over. Maybe Lutz can get his hands on it. Hope he doesnt change teh styling.


And Id like to see the G35 coupe vs the GTO at the track. And then G35 sedan vs CTS. I would safely say that the GTO and CTS would own both the G35 models. Its nice that you drove it around the block, but Im talking about hard core handling, not taking a turn onto your street. The Sigma chassis has to be one of the best tuned chassis out there.
And I think you mom needs to get her eyes, and ears checked if she thinks that the GTO looks like a Cavi.

Chances are your mom got a G35 due to her idea of American quality. It can be seen when she based the opinon of all pontiac dealerships, which GM has zero control over, off one dealer. Sorry, but thats being a bit ignorant.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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Not really. CTS is quite a bit more expensive. The one listed at the link is the 220 HP version. If you want 255 HP then you need to get their Luxury package, and it runs up the price.
Not quite. If you want the A5, you get the 3.6 as part of the deal, regardless of whether you get the Base, Luxury, or Luxury Sport package. Manual=3.2 A5=3.6.

Now then, if you want DVD Nav, Wood, Sunroof, or the 17's, you've got to step up to at least the Luxury package.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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if she wants space, and good all around....onc again..

300c awd. =)
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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I'd pick the G35 coupe, and don't really care for sedan.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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if she wants space, and good all around....onc again..

300c awd. =)
Aesthetically, the 300C is in comparison to the two others, IMO. Of course, this is just opinion.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Big Als Z

And Id like to see the G35 coupe vs the GTO at the track. And then G35 sedan vs CTS. I would safely say that the GTO and CTS would own both the G35 models.
#1 CTS and G35 sedan have similar power and weight, please explain how CTS would 'own' the G35. #2 These are luxury cars. Who cares about 1/4 times. No kidding the GTO would beat the G35 coupe. It has a 70 hp advantage.

Its nice that you drove it around the block, but Im talking about hard core handling, not taking a turn onto your street. The Sigma chassis has to be one of the best tuned chassis out there.


I don't have any numbers. My subjective opinion stands.

And I think you mom needs to get her eyes, and ears checked if she thinks that the GTO looks like a Cavi.
Once again you are criticizing a subjective opinion and taking quite a cheap shot at the same time. Grow up.

Chances are your mom got a G35 due to her idea of American quality. It can be seen when she based the opinon of all pontiac dealerships, which GM has zero control over, off one dealer. Sorry, but thats being a bit ignorant.
Actually, this is the first foriegn car my parents have bought, ever. My father, a die hard Chevy guy, agreed that this was the best car on the market in this segment. She bought the car because she felt it was the best value in performance and luxury and most importantly, she liked it the most. The comment of Pontiac dealerships came from me. I owned a Formula for a few years and had to deal with a couple of different Pontiac dealers. Their experience was consistant with my own.

This was a real world experience, not what should or could happen based on internet chatter....

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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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I own a G35Coupe and my SS. I am 99% sure a G35 Coupe would own the GTO on a track, they handle great. In a straight line the GTO would win, but I doubt by that much. The G35's are great cars, bang for the buch you can not beat them.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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Are we talking road course or auto-x? I would tend to disagree if you are referring to a road course where raw power will gain lots of ground in the straights...

Originally posted by E96Z28SS
I own a G35Coupe and my SS. I am 99% sure a G35 Coupe would own the GTO on a track, they handle great. In a straight line the GTO would win, but I doubt by that much. The G35's are great cars, bang for the buch you can not beat them.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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I would think the G35 would take in both courses. If you account for the weight differences the GTO probably has a 30HP advantage. I don't think the HP advantage is enough to make up the difference in the straights.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 12:45 PM
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I would think the G35 would take in both courses. If you account for the weight differences the GTO probably has a 30HP advantage. I don't think the HP advantage is enough to make up the difference in the straights.
doubt it highly. The Monaro runs in many SCCA races and can clean up pretty good. G35 wouldnt be able to hold its own against a far more powerful car like the GTO. You can feed me skid pad numbers all day, but none of that means much. Only thing that would hurt the GTO is the 245 series tires. Slap some stickey 275's on there and then let'em dance. You should watch Top Gears Review of the Monaro, which was a lower hp model then what we get here in the states. GTO is clearly the better choice over the G35 coupe if you are looking for sport. The G35 has more creature comforts like DVD navi, sun roof, heated seats.



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