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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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Challenger wins??

So how many of us car people(not the diehard chevy people)here think the challenger bests the camaro/mustang?Heres a little docktoring of a '10 mustang prototype and I have to say its not anything great at all:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=470851

Having looked at the challenger,I think this car is so well done in all categories that it takes the honors.You can even get a R/T fully loaded for around $32000 with a 370hp hemi.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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I like the looks of the Camaro better, and I like the A6/300HP V6 combo better than the Challengers A4/250HP V6. Camaro also has a nicer interior.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:14 PM
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That is so subjective it is hardly worth considering. I'd ask you to define "bests" or "wins" but even that is just as subjective.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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I like the Mustang over the Challenger... however Camaro tops them all.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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I like the Challenger and Mustang but prefer the Camaro. Now, I'm a hardcore GM guy, but even beyond that, I think that the Camaro has way more character in its body lines and shapes. But that's just a personal opinion.

I think you'll be able to get a 422 horsepower Camaro SS for not much more than $32k. The SS has near SRT/8 power, but will likely be closer to the R/T price range.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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The Challenger's pluses are that it's a car you can use as a family car (big trunk, good back seat, plenty of headroom for everyone) as well as a performance car. In short, it's a traditional Muscle car.

Camaro is more of a sports coupe. It's shorter and slightly lower than a Challenger, but is far less roomy than anything it's competing against (both Mustang and Challenger have bigger trunks and a roomier back seat).

Mustang is more a traditional pony car. It's light weight (compared to the other two) and therefore does more with fewer horsepower and alot more with more. As Mustangs have usually been (especially compared to 2nd gen Camaros onward) a bit more crude and rambunctious while Camaro was the more the grand touring of the 2, a live axle Mustang will continue that next to IRS (and heavy) Camaros and Challengers.

All 3 are in a twisted way competitors, but all 3 are very different and offer different strengths and positions in the market.

To me, Mustang and Challenger are at different ends of a spectrum. Mustang as a pony car, Challeneger as a muscle car, Camaro in between. Sized like a Mustang, but with a sophisticated (and just as heavy) chassis as the Challenger. All 3 are very, very, very quick rides. All 3 have enough horsepower to pass 170 mph (though GT500s have an electronic 155mph cut off) and with manuals, I expect all 3 to be able to get to 60 mph in the very low 4 second bracket (early reports have SRT8 manuals only a couple of tenths behind a stock GT500)

Personally, if a Challenger R/T and Camaro SS are within 100 pounds of each other, get the same mileage, and R/T manuals are as quick or quicker than LS1 F bodies, I'd say Challenger is the car I'd buy (assuming I'm convinced Chrysler isn't going to go under). It's a all purpose car. Mustang is no doubt the best compromise package of the group, being it's likely to be the cheapest and best all round package. Camaro will probably be the best value getting more per dollar, including neo-modern styling.

I can't call any one of them a winner unless I call them all a winner. It all depends on where your loyalty is and what you need/want in a car.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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No traditional manual for the V6. My demographic was overlooked.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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That is so subjective it is hardly worth considering. I'd ask you to define "bests" or "wins" but even that is just as subjective.
were talking all around functionality.Performance,quality,interior,exterio r and price.Each car has its strong points,but im talking which is the best overall package.Guys points are correct,im just throwing out some discussion topics.Trying to see what people think.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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Camaro for me.

If I need a sedan i'll get a sedan instead of a big coupe.

To me the entry V8 has more hp, the Camaro should be 150lbs lighter, and if tradition holds true it will get a tick more real world mileage. EPA rating be damned.
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Camaro for me.

If I need a sedan i'll get a sedan instead of a big coupe.

To me the entry V8 has more hp, the Camaro should be 150lbs lighter, and if tradition holds true it will get a tick more real world mileage. EPA rating be damned.
Being that the EPA rating is controled and measured under equal conditions, any condition where the Camaro gets better mileage than the EPA rating, other cars including Camaro's competitors will get better fuel economy as well. A Camaro with a 23 mpg EPA rating is going to still get less mileage under the same real world conditions than a 4.6 Mustang or Challenger with a second gen Hemi that has an EPA 24 mpg rating.

This still leaves Camaro's fuel economy in the same position next to it's competitors, just as it will in EPA tests.

Damn the tests or not, changing the level of the water isn't going to change the way one boat floats against the other.

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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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It's too early. Camaro hasn't started production yet and the only thing we can go off of is a spec sheets and some pics and we don't know enough about the 2010 mustang to say whether it'll be a better car or not. How can you decide on a winner when 2 of the 3 models aren't even on the streets yet??
Old Jul 30, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Being that the EPA rating is controled and measured under equal conditions, any condition where the Camaro gets better mileage than the EPA rating, other cars including Camaro's competitors will get better fuel economy as well. A Camaro with a 23 mpg EPA rating is going to still get less mileage under the same real world conditions than a 4.6 Mustang or Challenger with a second gen Hemi that has an EPA 24 mpg rating.

This still leaves Camaro's fuel economy in the same position next to it's competitors, just as it will in EPA tests.

Damn the tests or not, changing the level of the water isn't going to change the way one boat floats against the other.
How would the Mustang and Challenger get better mileage? The Challenger is considerably heavier and unless the 3V is way more fuel friendly then the 2V was I don't see that doing better either.
Old Jul 31, 2008 | 06:24 AM
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How would the Mustang and Challenger get better mileage? The Challenger is considerably heavier and unless the 3V is way more fuel friendly then the 2V was I don't see that doing better either.
Is that a real world question? I can average at least 28mpg in my 07 if I drive like a little old lady. My most recent instant average was on the order of 31-32 mpg while on a trip.

Of course I live at sea level and its relatively flat around my neck of the woods and in that particular instance that I was getting 31-32 mpg I was putting along at 45 in 5th gear while buring E10 with a load of 550 pounds beyond the curb weight of the car with a 1/4 tank of gas and with cruise on along with wider than stock summer tires combined with a slightly out of whack pinion angle due to an altered suspension while cranking the max a/c. Not sure about wind direction and speed though.

::shrugs:: real world numbers are meaningless beyond internet e-penisery since there are to many uncontrolled factors involved

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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 07:03 AM
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Is that a real world question? I can average at least 28mpg in my 07 if I drive like a little old lady. My most recent instant average was on the order of 31-32 mpg while on a trip.

Of course I live at sea level and its relatively flat around my neck of the woods and in that particular instance that I was getting 31-32 mpg I was putting along at 45 in 5th gear while buring E10 with a load of 550 pounds beyond the curb weight of the car with a 1/4 tank of gas and with cruise on along with wider than stock summer tires combined with a slightly out of whack pinion angle due to an altered suspension while cranking the max a/c. Not sure about wind direction and speed though.

::shrugs:: real world numbers are meaningless beyond internet e-penisery since there are to many uncontrolled factors involved
the most i got was 25mpg is that was on a drive from here to texas.



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