A Camaro by Holden?
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A Camaro by Holden?
Rumours are beginning that the abilities of Holden coupled with the UAW union problems with making a new Camaro in N. America will bring us a Camaro by Holden.
DO a google search on the Holden Monaro II. Looks a lot like the Monaro (GTO) to me but obviously is somewhat different. Rumours seem to be circulation from within GM that this may be the easiest way to bring us a new Camaro and it would be based on the Monaro II.
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DO a google search on the Holden Monaro II. Looks a lot like the Monaro (GTO) to me but obviously is somewhat different. Rumours seem to be circulation from within GM that this may be the easiest way to bring us a new Camaro and it would be based on the Monaro II.
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Unless it had totally new sheet metal... even i would say NO....
as much as i like Holden, the current shape does'nt have enough tumble home to be called Camaro...
Although with the upcomming VE , who knows whats around the corner ???
as much as i like Holden, the current shape does'nt have enough tumble home to be called Camaro...
Although with the upcomming VE , who knows whats around the corner ???
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No. By 06 we are gonna have our own RWD platforms. We shouldn't even be borrowing with the GTO but there is no choice at this time. People would probably go crazy if it was done with a Camaro.
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The Monaro and Monaro Series II are pretty much the same car externally. It's like comparing a 2000 Camaro with a 2001. As far as looks, the II has miniscule cosmetic updates; simply a mid-generation refresh, new wheels, etc. The interiors are updated, but the body panels, proportions, chassis, are all the same as any older Monaro from the beginning. In other words, it's not a new car; it's the same car we're getting as the GTO. As such, I would be strongly against this car turning into a Camaro. They're just not the same. The Monaro is too upright and too conservative to be an F-body.
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Originally posted by kizz
The Monaro and Monaro Series II are pretty much the same car externally. It's like comparing a 2000 Camaro with a 2001. As far as looks, the II has miniscule cosmetic updates; simply a mid-generation refresh, new wheels, etc. The interiors are updated, but the body panels, proportions, chassis, are all the same as any older Monaro from the beginning. In other words, it's not a new car; it's the same car we're getting as the GTO. As such, I would be strongly against this car turning into a Camaro. They're just not the same. The Monaro is too upright and too conservative to be an F-body.
The Monaro and Monaro Series II are pretty much the same car externally. It's like comparing a 2000 Camaro with a 2001. As far as looks, the II has miniscule cosmetic updates; simply a mid-generation refresh, new wheels, etc. The interiors are updated, but the body panels, proportions, chassis, are all the same as any older Monaro from the beginning. In other words, it's not a new car; it's the same car we're getting as the GTO. As such, I would be strongly against this car turning into a Camaro. They're just not the same. The Monaro is too upright and too conservative to be an F-body.
I say NO... emphatically!
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Well actually......
It was looked at as a Camaro replacement, then decided against.
I drove a Monaro last summer, and while it's a great handling, very well put together car, I think it's more of a European type of GT or a modern version of the Pontiac GTO or Buick GSX (both had performance and luxury) than a Camaro.
It's definately a major jump up from a Grand Prix GTP coupe, but to be honest, I think a BMW M3 coupe comes closer to what Camaro should be than the admittedly smaller-than-Camaro Monaro.
It was looked at as a Camaro replacement, then decided against.
I drove a Monaro last summer, and while it's a great handling, very well put together car, I think it's more of a European type of GT or a modern version of the Pontiac GTO or Buick GSX (both had performance and luxury) than a Camaro.
It's definately a major jump up from a Grand Prix GTP coupe, but to be honest, I think a BMW M3 coupe comes closer to what Camaro should be than the admittedly smaller-than-Camaro Monaro.
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I think it would have worked, if they started working on it about 3 years ago, to conside with the end of the 4th Gen for a '03 model release.
Its a great platform to start with IRS, LS1, RWD but, it would have needed all new sheetmetal and interior to make it a Camaro though. And that would have proved to expensive to make given the Camaros Bang for the Buck image. They have to keep costs down to make a new Camaro work.
But now its too late. We don't need a GTO clone. We will just have to wait for a new Camaro on some other platform.
Its a great platform to start with IRS, LS1, RWD but, it would have needed all new sheetmetal and interior to make it a Camaro though. And that would have proved to expensive to make given the Camaros Bang for the Buck image. They have to keep costs down to make a new Camaro work.
But now its too late. We don't need a GTO clone. We will just have to wait for a new Camaro on some other platform.
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Originally posted by 30thZ286speed
We don't need a GTO clone. We will just have to wait for a new Camaro on some other platform.
We don't need a GTO clone. We will just have to wait for a new Camaro on some other platform.
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A Holden Camaro? God No. That's all we need. A GTO that looks like a big Cavalier, the new generation GTO that looks like a big modern Cavalier, and the Camaro which looks like a big Cavalier, but with no useable back seat.
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Originally posted by Pentatonic
A Holden Camaro? God No. That's all we need. A GTO that looks like a big Cavalier, the new generation GTO that looks like a big modern Cavalier, and the Camaro which looks like a big Cavalier, but with no useable back seat.
A Holden Camaro? God No. That's all we need. A GTO that looks like a big Cavalier, the new generation GTO that looks like a big modern Cavalier, and the Camaro which looks like a big Cavalier, but with no useable back seat.
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