Cadillac gets 300 horsepower next year......from a V6!
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Having said that, this V6 is "good enough". It doesn't need to have 308 HP to beat Nissan's offering, it doesn't need to top HP from Toyota, or whoever - all it needs to be is a good, reliable engine that delivers good performance and gets decent fuel economy. It should be powerful, but whether it's 302HP or 320 HP is only 6% difference.
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I was thinking, attempting to lead in every segment is just not possible or economical or even necessary. GM has great V8 powerplants, and high-end tuned V8 engines from GM are quite a tech feat.
Having said that, this V6 is "good enough". It doesn't need to have 308 HP to beat Nissan's offering, it doesn't need to top HP from Toyota, or whoever - all it needs to be is a good, reliable engine that delivers good performance and gets decent fuel economy. It should be powerful, but whether it's 302HP or 320 HP is only 6% difference.
Having said that, this V6 is "good enough". It doesn't need to have 308 HP to beat Nissan's offering, it doesn't need to top HP from Toyota, or whoever - all it needs to be is a good, reliable engine that delivers good performance and gets decent fuel economy. It should be powerful, but whether it's 302HP or 320 HP is only 6% difference.
Cadillac is near the top from what I've seen (although all that really matters is that the V6 is 300+)
Lexus IS = 306HP
Lexus GS = 303HP (and 290HP for the V8)
Infiniti G35 = 306HP
Acura RL = 290HP
Acura TL = 286HP
Mercedes E350 = 268HP
and those are all 3.5L engines. The CTS is also expected to be rated higher than the STS although I don't expect anything over 310HP.
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Don't forget, GM is producing 302 HP on regular fuel not premium. The Lexus and Nissan 3.5s require premium fuel to get their 306 HP.
I applaud GM for making this choice to help their customers save money. Especially with fuel prices as high as they are now. It's too bad most folks don't take this into consideration when comparing stats among vehicles, or even factor this into their purchase decisions. GM should advertise the heck out of this, it's almost like getting 5-10% better fuel economy.
I applaud GM for making this choice to help their customers save money. Especially with fuel prices as high as they are now. It's too bad most folks don't take this into consideration when comparing stats among vehicles, or even factor this into their purchase decisions. GM should advertise the heck out of this, it's almost like getting 5-10% better fuel economy.
Maybe when Cadillac gets their own 3.8/4.0 variant in a couple of years....
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Capacity equals torque. It's something that the high revving V6 can never overcome! Please remember that!!!
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Unfortunately, people do make purchases based on paper figures... It's a concept that GM hasn't grasped!
Come to think of it, I don't know if any self-professed hi-tech nut would ever consider GM products before Euro or *** when it comes to purchases based mainly on rated performance of hi-tech engines.
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Who has 320?
Cadillac is near the top from what I've seen (although all that really matters is that the V6 is 300+)
Lexus IS = 306HP
Lexus GS = 303HP (and 290HP for the V8)
Infiniti G35 = 306HP
Acura RL = 290HP
Acura TL = 286HP
Mercedes E350 = 268HP
and those are all 3.5L engines. The CTS is also expected to be rated higher than the STS although I don't expect anything over 310HP.
Cadillac is near the top from what I've seen (although all that really matters is that the V6 is 300+)
Lexus IS = 306HP
Lexus GS = 303HP (and 290HP for the V8)
Infiniti G35 = 306HP
Acura RL = 290HP
Acura TL = 286HP
Mercedes E350 = 268HP
and those are all 3.5L engines. The CTS is also expected to be rated higher than the STS although I don't expect anything over 310HP.
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Agreed 100%.
I've been saying this for the last year or so. The 3.6 (in any configuration) needs to be the top engine in the Colorado and Canyon. Let the H3 Alpha keep the V-8.
This would let GM compete with Nissan and Toyota in the compact pick-up segment. Well, almost. The twins need a better interior and 6 spd transmissions (both manual & autos).
But I don't see GM doing that as they've ditched the ZQ8 package and the Extreme and the 5 spd mated to the I5. They're not interested in a performance oriented 355, or so it seems.
I've been saying this for the last year or so. The 3.6 (in any configuration) needs to be the top engine in the Colorado and Canyon. Let the H3 Alpha keep the V-8.
This would let GM compete with Nissan and Toyota in the compact pick-up segment. Well, almost. The twins need a better interior and 6 spd transmissions (both manual & autos).
But I don't see GM doing that as they've ditched the ZQ8 package and the Extreme and the 5 spd mated to the I5. They're not interested in a performance oriented 355, or so it seems.
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Whatever. The Lexus GS350 gets better acceleration times than the GS430. I know which one I would pick (the GS350 gets better mileage too). I know, I know, at 2000RPM, the V8 is better, but the car has an automatic, so that point is pretty moot for me.
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You don't better acceleration times of a competitor unless you out-torque the competitor's engine.
Yes, the comparison is ridiculous, but it was the easiest thing I could think of.
I'm excited to see the new CTS with this DI engine in it. I can't wait to test drive it with the 6spd manual.