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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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This contradicts what has previously been established (keeping in mind that the name that's been used so far may indeed have only interim status). Given the source, I'm not convinced, and frankly I'm getting a bit worn-out on the nomenclature guessing games
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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What about the obvious? That a ZR1 top Vette clears the way for a Z28 top Camaro.

Chevy made a smart name not to associate this Vette with all the poser SS models they've cranked out the last few years. ZR1 is a lot more exclusive and doesn't suffer from a dilluted heritage.

Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.
Z28 was still the top performance link for Camaro. Now, without getting into a Camaro Z28 is king battle, the SS badge has, in recent years, just been that...a badge.
SS badge on the Monte SS with a standard 3.8. Took 2 years and maybe a fall down a flight of steps for someone to figure out that the 3.8SC motor drops right in!!! Bingo!

Other cars got the Z badge, and it shows how much dominace the Camaro Z28 had over the Chevy line up, enough where Chevy wanted to name its top performance cars with a Z, not an SS.
And the Z cars were pretty good for thier models, but NONE were Z28's.

A Corvette SS would have just been silly. I think that the ZR1 is GREAT and a perfect name for this car. Fits with the Z image, and lets us know that Chevy will make the top Camaro a Z car, not an SS.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.

I know it's a useless argument, after all, only a cavalier can be a Z24. I mean, only a beretta can be a Z26. Err, i mean only a lumina can be a z34. Oh nevermind.
Say what you want about the 200HP slug mid-late 70's Z/28's, but the fact of the matter is they were some of the hottest cars you could get in those years. Relative to other cars of the period, the Z/28's held their own in both looks and performance, so I wouldn't call the name "diluted" based on those cars.

To me, it was the 4th gen that ruined the Z/28 name. Degraded to a mid level model with minimal visual distinction from a base model. Blasphemy!
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
Dillute a badge? Has ANY badge been as dilluted as Z28? For over 20 years, Z28 meant sub 200hp V8s, 20 of the best selling years in its history at that. I'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be racing a late model malibu maxx SS in a 1979 z28.
Ummm...

If that's all you've got, that's pretty **** poor.

I wouldn't want to race a Malibu Maxx SS in a mid/late '70's Corvette either. So what?
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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I would have likes ZL-1 better but I guess the ZR1 is ok. I have an idea for GM marketing or Cambell -Ewald come up with a new designation for the Blue Devil something new and different than vehicles past. Ferrari always has some cool name to put on their models to designate a higher grade or class why not Chevy for the top Vette.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 99SilverSS
I would have likes ZL-1 better but I guess the ZR1 is ok. I have an idea for GM marketing or Cambell -Ewald come up with a new designation for the Blue Devil something new and different than vehicles past. Ferrari always has some cool name to put on their models to designate a higher grade or class why not Chevy for the top Vette.
ZL1 is a Camaro. ZR1 is a Corvette.

It's still within the realm of possibility that a super-Camaro could be called ZL1 -- something along the lines of the GT500KR in terms of power levels.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Nice to have ZR1 name return if thats the case, but considering the source wasn't it MT that started the whole SS rumor?

I hope "it" really gets some distinctive boby panels to set itself apart from the other Corvettes especially if Z06 continues.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
ZL1 is a Camaro. ZR1 is a Corvette.
ZL1 is an engine and two Corvettes were made with it:

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/FAPC/ZL1Corvette.htm
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 10:52 PM
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Ummm...

If that's all you've got, that's pretty **** poor.

I wouldn't want to race a Malibu Maxx SS in a mid/late '70's Corvette either. So what?
What's **** poor? Let me just put this to you...

In a few years, when you have your shiny new mega HP Z28 and you pull up at the gas station and are filling up, i bet you'll be brimming with pride when some guy comes up to you and tells you how much he likes Z28s, and that his brother has a bad *** Z28 too...a 1984 Z28 with an LG4 that is.

That's a dilluted badge, no matter how you spin it. And that's my whole point. IMO neither Z28 nor SS is suitable for a truly special limited availability camaro.

btw, you'd never lose a race to a malibu maxx ss in ANY corvette wearing a Z06 or ZR1 badge. Z28 OTOH.... oh right, chevy never dilluted those badges on lackluster cars.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
ZL1 is an engine and two Corvettes were made with it:

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/FAPC/ZL1Corvette.htm

Beat me to it. The rarest of all Corvette's ever made only 2 in 1969. Since we are talking rare Vette's and the ZR1 for the Blue Devil... here is another L88.

The only reason I bring up the engine designation codes for the Super-Vette is because like we have been used to in the past. The car's name is Corvette by Chevrolet but the engine is named L88 or ZL1 and thus the King of the Hill should be Corvette ____!
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
What's **** poor? Let me just put this to you...

In a few years, when you have your shiny new mega HP Z28 and you pull up at the gas station and are filling up, i bet you'll be brimming with pride when some guy comes up to you and tells you how much he likes Z28s, and that his brother has a bad *** Z28 too...a 1984 Z28 with an LG4 that is.
That makes no sense at all. Really.

In 1984, the Z/28 was not only the most badass Camaro you could buy - it was virtually the baddest vehicle which GM even offered for sale. It pummeled Porsche so badly in showroom stock racing, that Stuttgard pulled the overconfident 944 out of the series with it's tail between it's legs, so it wouldn't get bitched slapped by Camaro Z/28's in public anymore.
You didn't have to get an LG4, ya know. Properly equipped, a 1984 Z/28 was just a tick behind the 1984 Corvette in performance.


Personally, I'd love to find a clean '84 Z/28. LG4 or L-69.

BTW, over 100,000 people considered the Z/28 cool enough to buy in 1984.

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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 12:03 AM
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Very true. Z28 is the cars' true top model and that's that, and soon enough it won't even be an arguement anymore.

I like ZR1 because of that cars' slight exotic status, but I really think StingRay would have added a little more flare and nostalgia than bringing back a kinda unknown top model from a 5 year car.

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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever


Personally, I'd love to find a clean '84 Z/28. LG4 or L-69 or even LU5.
My 84 was an LG4 which was a turd even with factory 3.73's, but it was a fun car nonetheless. I still miss it.
Old Sep 6, 2007 | 03:10 AM
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My 84 was an LG4 which was a turd even with factory 3.73's, but it was a fun car nonetheless. I still miss it.
I used to have one of those except with 3.23's. It was probably the slowest car I've had but one of the most fun. Drove it like a rental car for years until some illegal alien b____ rearended it in a stolen Regal.

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