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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 10:27 PM
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Big Ed Instructs Cadillac to Build a RWD Flagship

Cadillac fans will be thrilled to hear that Ed Whitacre himself has instructed the brand to build a true, full-size flagship above both the CTS and the upcoming XTS. The car has not been clearly defined yet. The Zeta platform (Holden Commodore, Chevrolet Camaro, etc.) is heavy and dated, and therefore the flagship is more likely be built on a stretched version of the CTS’s Sigma platform. On the other side of the brand’s spectrum, the BMW 3-series–fighting ATS, based on a shortened Sigma platform called Alpha, is almost certain to come. If its styling is innovative and daring enough, it could become a real alternative to the well-established competition.
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Old Jun 11, 2010 | 06:51 AM
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The Zeta platform (Holden Commodore, Chevrolet Camaro, etc.) is heavy and dated
Well that should get some people riled up.

We all figured that Cadillac would get a large RWD flagship at some point,the question was just when.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 07:15 AM
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Alpha is a shortened version of Sigma? I don't think I'd heard that before.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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Alpha is a shortened version of Sigma? I don't think I'd heard that before.
It's Motortrend.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 09:09 AM
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Motortrend hasn't accurately reported automotive news story in quite a while.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 09:24 AM
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Lambda!


Just kidding, (or maybe not)....


This story is long on speculation, short on fact. But if true, this could dovetail with the rumors of a Beta architecture.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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I'm not sure a stretched Sigma would give it the necessary proportions. Might end up being like the Malibu where it's a little too skinny for its length.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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I'm not sure a stretched Sigma would give it the necessary proportions. Might end up being like the Malibu where it's a little too skinny for its length.
I think Sigma would need a MAJOR tear up to get an architecture big enough for an S/7 competitor.
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 01:42 PM
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How is Zeta dated. Sure it has been around since 2006, but what features of it are obsolete? Isn't it heavy because it is made for large heavy powerful cars?
Old Jun 11, 2010 | 01:42 PM
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Didn't they already try this with Sigma and called it the STS?
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Originally Posted by Sixer-Bird
Didn't they already try this with Sigma and called it the STS?
SLS is China is a 4" stretched STS.


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Old Jun 11, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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How is Zeta dated. Sure it has been around since 2006, but what features of it are obsolete? Isn't it heavy because it is made for large heavy powerful cars?
The 'dated' comment probably stems from the fact that it has its roots in older Holden platforms.

Don't get me wrong, Zeta is just fine for the applications it was originally intended for - large, high-powered sedans. Hell, it could probably even work for a Cadillac flagship.

Just don't tell me it makes the ideal pony car.
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It's about time. Mercedes S600 needs a competent competitor.
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Originally Posted by Z28x
How is Zeta dated. Sure it has been around since 2006, but what features of it are obsolete? Isn't it heavy because it is made for large heavy powerful cars?
Sigma is just as dated as Zeta and just as heavy, if not a bit heavier, so it's no better as a starting point. So their "therefore" conclusion doesn't make sense.

There may be other reasons to put it on Sigma, but not because Sigma is lighter or newer than Zeta.
Old Jun 12, 2010 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
The 'dated' comment probably stems from the fact that it has its roots in older Holden platforms.
It does?
Like the LS3 has roots in the 1955 smallblock?
I think the Zeta chassis didn't take much from the VZ (wasn't it called V-body at one point?).

In reality, I think Motor Trend just wanted to come up with a reason for not basing it on Zeta and that was the best they could do.

Sharing components with cars that will be its contemporaries is a much more compelling reason, I think.



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