You don't pick your 'vette at the factory. It's a Corvette Museum delivery. I haven't met anyone that hasn't enjoyed the experience and I've talked to MANY Corvette owner's that have gone the Museum delivery route repeated times. There is a charge for museum delivery, true enough. A very nice portion of the charge goes to the Museum, which is not owned by GM, but is a non-profit self governed deal.

 

My best guess is that the repeat Corvette owners in question are all middle aged. There are plenty of slightly silly 60-something (and older!) Corvette owners out there. MANY of them have a slavish and unquestioning devotion to the Corvette nameplate. These folks would be happy with just about anything that's Corvette related.

It's undeniable that the Corvette Museum is in immediately proximity to the factory. It's equally undeniable that the Corvette Museum wouldn't have existed without GM.

 

How many have you taken R8C delivery of again?!

... you must have forgotten to answer...

 

Darth you should know that redzed is to important to answer any questions rasied about anything, it is just below him.

 

So what's your point? The kind of people you're talking about think it's neat to take delivery of your new car at the museum, and they're willing to pay a little bit for the experience. It isn't like anyone forces you to do this.

I'm so glad we have redzed here to tell us all how people should spend their money, and participate in their hobby.

 

All garbage aside, if they started making Camaros in Spring Hill, my sister would see a lot more of me since she lives in Franklin. lol

 

Why are people bashing nissan in this thread, Nissan and GM quality are almost identical. Whats that got to do with GM building rwd v-8 cars in springhill? If Nissan is so bad I guess its a fluke that their sales were up 24% last year. 24%!

Now back on topic, Spring Hill is a nice town, it doesn't have the hot rodder image like bowling green, its more yuppified. Its all new subdivisons and white picket fences, literaly. It is very scenic countryside when its not looking like utopiaville in a few areas.

The plant is high tech and very robotic, they even have mini cranes that set the battery in position under the hood. Many of the workers came from michigan and they brought their darn red wing gear with them. We dont hear much about the plant in the local news except when they have shut downs for slow sales. We hear more about the nissan plant, mostly because they keep on adding carlines and jobs to the plant. Nissan has pumped millions into their plant here and I am glad GM is also gonna pump millions into their Tennessee plant. Its nice seeing money stay in the states. I think the mopar guys are spending a few too many dollars down in mexico. I wonder how they say HEMI in spanish?

BTW I wouldn't mind if the next fbody had plastic panels like the 4th gen. The door dings in my max suck.

 

The thread creator is a Nissan fan boy... nothing wrong with that, but when he spews out a ton of hypocritical, and most of the time inaccurate, rants about GM that just as easily apply to Nissan and others... people like to point out how Nissan compares.


And according ot the 2004 JD Powers long term reliablility test... Nissan scores at the BOTTOM of the list, where several GM brands are above average, and a few are right at the top.... With only one brand (low-volume Hummer) lower than Nissan.

http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/ima...04037cfull.gif

 

Nice info, the bad thing about judging quality or reliablity is that we are given info from several sources and some say one brand is best and another brand is that. The study I was referring to is one posted by scott settlemire on one of the sites, it was study of vehicles purchased new and problems reported in the first 3 years of ownership. Someone probably has a link to the thread but GM scored 264 and nissan was around 271. Thats problems per 100 cars after 3 years.

In your post you give a link for the jd power study and say that it shows GM is superior to nissan in Long Term Reliability, the JD Power report shown is for Inital Quality, as it says in the top of the page that you linked. Usually this inital quality reports cover the first 90 days of ownership, the study I am talking about covers a three year span is more accurate for those of us that own cars for more than the first 90 days.

Heres the link to settlemires comments, I just found it.

http://www.chirpthird.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2391

Ironically scott mentions that GM and Nissan are tied for first in quality reported by strategic vison for 2004, kinda disagrees with jd power quality survey, then he mentions the Long Term durability which is more important. With Nissan opening a new facility in mississippi and introducing new models, there should be quality issues, new vehicles and plants always have problems. With a GM car having an average of 2.64 problems per car and a nissan having 2.71 problems per car is Nissans quality really a question??

I wish GM could put the horsepower in their cars that nissan does. I think nissans engines and styling have their sales surging and GM gives us a 200hp malibu and G6. Compare the G6 to the altima, 200hp vs 245 hp. Thats why GM HAS to discount their cars, they do not compete at the same level and have to be priced lower. GM cars are now on the same level as the Korean manufactures. sp? And priced accordingly.

I am a GM fan, I know it sounds like I am bashing them but they need to produce. The 3.9 240hp engine is coming and why bring an engine to market that does not out perform the competion? Nissan, toyota and honda allready make that power, but the time it shows up the competion will be ready to move to the next level. The HF V-6 needs to be the only 6 offered in any GM car. Nissan uses the VQ in almost every model. Why cant GM? They are being cheap, the UAW needs to back off and give the company a chance to be competive again.

 

It took me a while to conclude you were serious. Not enough HP? You mean, 303 hp not enough, in the 05 Grand Prix GXP? (Soon also in the Monte and Impala SS as well?). 400 hp, not enough in the GTO and the base C6? What's Nissan got that's even remotely in the same league of these cars, for the dollar?

Shall I continue? What's Nissan got that can go up against the Trailblazer SS? The 400 hp SSR? And so on.

And speaking of the G6... you conveniently omitted the G6 GTP...

 

Good call, those are good points. I was aiming at the midsize/fullsize car class when talking performance. Thats why I didnt mention SUV/sports cars.

Isnt that the 06 GP GXP? Nissans 3.5L cars have been running mid to low 14's at 95+ MPH since 2002, and GM caught them four years later with a nose heavy (67%) gas sucking V-8. And have fun with the the FOUR speed auto and open diff. How about a 5 or 6 speed like the japanese offer. All those cubes and its no faster then an altima. P.S. its $30,000. GM would have a great rwd car there. The 3.5L SE altima (250hp) starts at 23,300, runs mid 14's, the Se-r (260hp) is 29,300, low 14's. The SE-r weighs less, has more tire, comes in a stick and has 4 wheel independent suspension and will get better gas mileage than the GXP except on a long road trip where they might be even.

Did I mention that the Chevy V-8 FWD cars are butt ugly.

I think the GTO is a great car, its a little higher up at 33 grand but its a great car. Too bad it doesn't sell. I hope they dont kill it off. I'd buy one over the G35 sedan if I had the money.

I did mention the G6 GTP, or better yet its engine, the 3.9, is it gonna be built in china like the 200 hp 3.5? And why bring a car to market with 240HP when the competion like altima SE is already making 250hp. The SE motor even makes more torque, 249 vs 240. Does GM offer a six speed? what about a 5 speed? Nope, just that good old FOUR speed. Its $23,995, Mustang GT starts at 24,995 whats the better sports car? The G6 and Altima SE are close in price, but once again, wheres the stick? 4 wheel ind. suspension?

Talking outside the midsize car class, the vette is awesome. But the SSR and Silverado SS and GTO are POOR sellers. I said horsepower and style. They all lack one or the other.

The trailblazer SS is nice. Well gotta spend time with my girlfriend before I end up on the couch.

 

Man, your ignorance is really showing now. The 2005 (yes I said 05, selling like hotcakes now at GM dealers for the GM employee price) GP GXP will absolutely eat an Altima SE-R for lunch. The GXP has a whopping 323 ft lb TQ, compared to the anemic 251 ft lb in the Altima. 303 hp, vs 260. Hmm. Wonder who would win? More tire on the Altima? Where, in the trunk? The GXP has 255 tread width on the front, compared to (should I say anemic again?) 225 on the wannabe Altima. Who cares, really, about whether its four, five or six speeds, when you have the wonderfully flat TQ curve of the 5.3 small block V8 under your right foot? (However I can see, with torque-deficient import owners, how important having a lot of gears might be, to keep their hobbling engines out of that horrible deadzone below 5000 RPM ). As for price and value, the GP GXP (comparably equipped, with leather and a moonroof) is going for about $26,900 vs the Altima SE-R for about $26,600 according to edmunds.com. Fuel economy of the GXP is slightly lower than the Altima, a small price to pay for that nice V8 burble and of course, the severe ownage to be laid down upon so many frustrated Nissan owners

 

Somebody please help these people understand the correlation between "INTIAL Quality Studies" and Long Term Quality.

In those three years how was the car driven, what kind of oil was used, what kind of oil filter, what spacing between oil changes, female or male, transmission fluid changed regularly, differential levels checked regularly, tire pressure kept up, where are you doing these tests, what kind of weather was it in, rain, snow, ice, heat, cold, high humidity, high or low elevations????????????

This is why most long term tests have no validity. One vehicle that operates good in Situation A, will do terrible in Situation B. (Most of the time I'm in Situation B, LOL)

This is why there is so much importance in Initial Quality.

 

Good point, there is no standard for testing vehicles 3 years after purchase.

Nissan's 3.5 VQ is a great engine, and they put it in just abotu everything outside of the Sentra, but the quality is still very poor. I sat in a Titan, and I was very dissapointed, compared to the F150. Everything still feels very cheap, and very awkard, just like past Nissans. I dont know how Nissan got this great image all of a sudden, but they are now so popular...I guess a little design can go a long way.

 

Well, here's a link to the long term reliability study from 2002 models...
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/vds2005089.asp


http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif

The only GM brand below Nissan in that study is Saab.