Cadillac will have no problem with a $90,000-$100,000+ Sedan as long as that Sedan is a good value compared to other cars in that segment. V12 must be standard. The Cadillac ULS needs to be the equivilant of the Ford GT to a Ferrari F430. Caddy needs a Maybach quality car for BMW 760i money.

XLR should have cost $69,995, with the V-series costing $79,995. XLR quality is top notch. I'd like to see how it ranked with JD Power, I would not doubt that it was #1.

 

They have their sights set on a $120k+ halo sedan. You will hear about it soon.

 

$120K leaves a huge gap in Cadillacs like up for the poor bum that can only afford a $90,000 car. Hopfully it goes something like :
V8 = $80K
V12= $100K
V16 or Turbo V12 = $120K+

 

Yeah, but how does the actually transaction price of the average Cadillac compare to the average Lexus. Cadillacs' MSRPs are incredibly bloated. Only a fool would drive a Cadillac DeVille off the lot without a five figure discount. I mean, seriously, the $10,000+ discount has become a way-of-life at Cadillac dealerships.

 

Point of reference...

Current Cadillac rebates:

CTS: $0
CTS-V: $0
Deville: $0
Escalade/ESV/EXT: $1000
SRX: $0
STS: $0
XLR: $0

 

....But you didn't point out that GM is temporarily halting production of the DeVille and the Sigma-platform products (CTS, CTS-V, STS and SRX). GM has already announced production cuts for the big SUVs (Escalade?) and the whole point of this thread is that there is a staggering 200 day inventory of XLR roadsters.

It should be obvious there are plenty of Cadillac's weathering away on Cadillac dealership lots across North America. I don't know about future plans for rebates, and no member of the general public knows about "dealer cash" and "marketing support," but I can tell that something has to change - sooner or later.

 

Cadillac STS V8 is at a 29 day supply.

 

That's fine and good, but the production halt for the Sigma-platform Cadillacs is a reality.

 

Caddy is doing what Chevy could have done and most manufactures has done. Vs putting cash on the hood they are spending MORE money paying employees to do nothing and idle the plant. GM knows not to mess with Caddies resale and depreciation values by putting big rebates on them.

 

A lot of luxury brands avoid rebates because they cheapen the brand and make the cars seem undesirable. Instead they give the dealers discounts and they are free to price the car however they want. If they are giving out deals, it is more discrete.

It's likely that Cadillac is doing the same thing, since I see $10,000 off dealer ads all the time. There's no way MSRP is $10K over invoice.

 

About 3500 more Sigma cars have been sold thus far in 2005 than the same period in 2004

Over all daily Sigma production is up. Instead of making less cars per day, they are shutting down for a week or so. It is probably cheaper to do it that way.

If they are looking for more work a Sigma CAmaro would be a nice way to keep them busy.

 

MB AND BMW HAVE A HUGE FAN BASE. Caddy has to work long and hard to revamp its image from the grandpa mobile to the smooth car that every yuppie and CEO is gunna want to drive. If i wanted a 2000 STS i could get it under 15k. Try getting a 5 series for that much. I liked the XLR it was a move in the right direction but it looked too much like a deville roadster. Caddy is movein the right way but just because they make there models look a little more modern and toss in a coupe dont think its going to compete with such a huge fanbase that BMW and MB have.

Right now the only AWD platfrom caddy has is the STS-V. The CTS is nice but underpowered. It should have atleast 300hp to compete with nissan, toyota etc. I like the agressive styleing and caddy is makeing its own image again instead of the long tailights which date back to 1950 it seems. Caddy needs more models to compete, the BLS is a good idea but make it sleeker less compact and you would have a good 3 series competator. The CTS is large enough to compete with the 3-5 series and STS to compete with the 5-7 and SL series. The deville is another 3-5 series competator but less of a performance orientation like the cts/v series. The Escalade is different but it doesnt really compete with the ML X-3/5 series of BMW. The escalade is too big and uses too much fuel and its just a redone suburban. But then again it symbolizes excess which is what caddy was all about when it began, live large, drive large. The SRX is a good addition i feel as well. However, it needs more power to compete with ranger rover and BMW,MB/Lexus RX as well as a price drop in sticker to be really effective.

In Summary Caddy is moveing in the right direction and if caddy keeps up the good work then my next car will prob be a caddy.

This also has me worried about the chrystler firepower! and if the luxury coupe market is falling.

 

1. BLS is Europe only.
2. BLS is FWD only.

no serious 3 series buyer's going to be looking at the BLS. if they were, SAAB wouldn't be losing money selling the SAME exact car as the BLS under the 9-3 name.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but idleing the plants put the workers on unemployment. GM does not continue to pay salaries. At least thats the way it use to be.

 

CTS is underpowerd? Have you driven the 3.6 CTS yet?