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Automobile: Camaro dead in the water
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Edmunds: Camaro in 2009-2010
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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Automobile, Edmunds, or Road and Track

Who's closest to the truth?

I hope it's R&T!

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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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Re: Automobile, Edmunds, or Road and Track

can we make an option?
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by turbo96z28
can we make an option?
I think the second and third options are both plausible from my research on this site.
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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Im going to have to say 2007, thats what has been estimated for a while now and supposedly we are having the concept in 2005. That seems about right. I just think it would be rediculous to release a concept 5 years before they go on sale. Am I only one that would find that strange?
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Yossarian14
Im going to have to say 2007, thats what has been estimated for a while now and supposedly we are having the concept in 2005. That seems about right. I just think it would be rediculous to release a concept 5 years before they go on sale. Am I only one that would find that strange?
Well the only problem with that is NAIAS 2005 was about 7 months ago and there was no camaro concept.
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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Haha sorry, my bad. I meant NAIAS 06
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:57 PM
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Nobody knows as of yet. If I remember right, I think Guy said wait til September. I personally am gonna make the annual trip to Detroit, but this time I'm hoping for a certain concept to steal the show.
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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Car Mags have at least a 2-3 month window, meaning that the stories you are reading today was assembled in March or April. There was alot of speculation and mis-information that the media came out with when NA Zeta was cancelled. Since then there's been quite a bit that's come to the surface.

Motor Trend last month said Camaro was not coming back, and this month, it's Automobile saying GM won't have a Mustang competitor, and "the Camaro name is on the scrapheap". I'd expect Motor Trend to get it wrong, but Automobile being off target is shocking!

I'd like everyone to take those magazine articles, and save them. They might be as famous as the Chicago Tribune's "Dewey defeats Truman" headline in the near future.
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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I might be restating points already made on this board, but 2007 makes sense to me.

1. It is the 40th anniversary of the original.

2. Although I know you they will have to spend time working the bugs out of it and refining the total package, the car will use very little nonexisting or exotic technology that will require a great deal of R&D. Come on, we're talking live axle here, folks. Hopefully, the new platform is deep in development right now and we will see a preproduction model at the 2006 NAIAS.

3. GM will be losing 2 more years of sales to the Mustang.

4. GM will be giving Ford 2 years to counter the arrival of the Camaro.

5. I read the R&T article today and they mentioned reports that the long build-up time for the Solstice had cost it some momentum.

6. I want to buy one in 2007, not 2009.

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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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I might be restating points already made on this board, but 2007 makes sense to me.
The only thing an aniversery provides is an excuse to sell tacky and expensive option packages that involve decals....lots of decals.

Originally Posted by Cookstar
1. It is the 40th anniversary of the original.
.....Which was 2.5+ model years later than the Mustang....GM isn't get any faster on the uptake.


Originally Posted by Cookstar
2. Although I know you they will have to spend time working the bugs out of it and refining the total package, the car will use very little nonexisting or exotic technology that will require a great deal of R&D. Come on, we're talking live axle here, folks. Hopefully, the new platform is deep in development right now and we will see a preproduction model at the 2006 NAIAS.
You would have thought that the Cadillac CTS-V would have been pretty well debugged. You would have been wrong.


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3. GM will be losing 2 more years of sales to the Mustang.
GM will have lost 3-4 years of sales to Chrysler's LX cars before a suitable competitor is ready - if then.


Originally Posted by Cookstar
4. GM will be giving Ford 2 years to counter the arrival of the Camaro.
At this point, I don't think that Ford is worried.


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5. I read the R&T article today and they mentioned reports that the long build-up time for the Solstice had cost it some momentum.
The fact that the Solstice is being launched without a performance oriented powertrain has cost it momentum. News of the Saturn Sky has cost the Solstice momentum. Lutz's comments about the possible death of the Pontiac brand didn't help either.




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6. I want to buy one in 2007, not 2009.
If wishes were horses......
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by redzed
The only thing an aniversery provides is an excuse to sell tacky and expensive option packages that involve decals....lots of decals.



.....Which was 2.5+ model years later than the Mustang....GM isn't get any faster on the uptake.




You would have thought that the Cadillac CTS-V would have been pretty well debugged. You would have been wrong.




GM will have lost 3-4 years of sales to Chrysler's LX cars before a suitable competitor is ready - if then.




At this point, I don't think that Ford is worried.




The fact that the Solstice is being launched without a performance oriented powertrain has cost it momentum. News of the Saturn Sky has cost the Solstice momentum. Lutz's comments about the possible death of the Pontiac brand didn't help either.






If wishes were horses......
I did forget to mention that GM's strategy doesn't often make sense.
Old Aug 7, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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Re: Automobile, Edmunds, or Road and Track

None of the above.
Old Aug 7, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Re: Automobile, Edmunds, or Road and Track

GM cannot build a camaro until after 2006. they are still under contract with canada.
from what i have heard, GM dropped the f-body to be able to bring it back to the states for production. they have already demolished the St. therese plant in Canada (it think that spelling is correct) and GM is still under contract with Canada to build the Camaro up to 2006, hence why they can't release any info on "possibilities" of a new camaro.
If GM was wise (which i doubt they are with Lutz heading up GM) ......they would get off their cans and get a Camaro ready to go for 2007. preferebly designed after the 69 Z28.
but that's just my opinion.
Old Aug 7, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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Re: Automobile, Edmunds, or Road and Track

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None of the above.
Whatever...

For those of you choosing "none of the above", tell us what you think is going to happen.

I wonder if Red Planet has voted.
Old Aug 7, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookstar

I wonder if Red Planet has voted.
i like to know what he voted/would vote for.



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