http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/0405exc06.html

This is a very vague article but I think it should be posted here so that it will turn up for searches on the subject in the near future.

 

so the camaro isn't coming out till 2009

 

Can I get the two minutes of my life back...

 

I wouldn't throw in THAT towel yet, and no, that's not just wishful optimism talking. Don't put in too much stock in outside predictions, lets just see what develops over the course of this year. Unless GM specifically states a particular model is cancelled or delayed, hold off on the rush to judgement.

Sure, the 2009 or even 2010 predictions may in the end actually be accurate. But there's a few of things to ponder:

1. How long does it take a car to go from final approval to production?

2. What constituted Zeta?

3. If the common belief was that Zeta was too big to be a Camaro, and Camaro was scheduled for 2008, couldn't one conclude based on these 2 that the only way Camaro would come back is on something smaller than the "Zeta coupe", which would mean it's not a "Zeta", and therefore MIGHT not be effected by Zeta's cancellation due to it not being part of the Zeta program??

Just some food for thought.

 

Here is a question.

Will we start to get more info this year about a new Ponycar or Mustang Competitor from GM without the name Camaro attached?

I didn't say Camaro on purpose since we recently heard that a Mustang competitor is planned.

 

GTO sibling.....

 

I suspect if a Camaro replacement is in the works, we'll hear about it by the end of the year. If not, then we can start buying into the 2009-2010 scenario.

Word is quite a few things will be playing out over the course of this year, and the clocks running.

Pontiac-Holden-Chevy?

Could explain the Camaro confusion.

 

I don't really like the thought of a new ponycar going onto a warmed over, decade old chassis. Didn't GM look into puting the Camaro on the VT back in 1996?

 

There are all sorts of proposal floating around right now.

Hopefully the good guys have enough ammo to shoot down all the really stupid ones.

BTW..assuming GM gets the architecture issue squared away....I HAVE MEGA FAITH!!!!!!!!!!

 

The 1971 2nd gen Camaro was a modified 4 year old chassis and the 1993 version was a modified 10 year old chassis. Both did extremely well, and still was class leading to the very end.

The Omega chassis (the basis of the GTO & Catera), still has plenty of tricks up it's sleeve if GM engineers decide to squeeze more out of it, or make it the basis of a lighter car. Don't let age cloud your judgement. A 10 year old BMW M3 STILL is a hot handling car, despite having a suspension setup nearly identical to the Omega.

For those wanting IRS that can handle alot of power on the cheap, this is pretty much the only ticket you have.

 

Wouldn't you have to actually announce a particular model is coming before you could then announce its delay/cancellation?

 

No. Lutz ended speculation on the Firebird returning a couple of years ago.

 

I'm not buying into that.


I'm thinking, does Camaro really need alot of power. I mean aren't those V8's pretty pricey to buy and keep gassed up. What's the speed limit in most places? 55, 65? 70? In any case...the minimum is 45 mph. Do we really need to go beyond the minimum level of performance. I mean really...it's just a waste of money....you know.... those big powerful V8's. They scare me sometimes too. The Aveo's 1.6L 4 banger provides more than sufficient power.....even if you plan on driving your car at 75 mph.....which BTW is illegal in many areas. I mean...I really don't want to spend alot for my (used) Camaro...so I'm not really interested in any sort of performance. I just want it to be a Camaro though.

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GOTCHA!

That's how I feel when someone suggests we need to skimp on Camaro's chassis.

 

Much in the same way ol' Bob said the Camaro "might be back in 30 years", right?

 

But wasn't that platform looked at and rejected because it wouldn't make a Ponycar?
Yes the 4th gen Camaro was class leading and it still was put on hiatus. Class leading won't guarantee sales.
And what about the Kappa and Torana Chassis?

A reworked Omega, Kappa or Beta car would all require testing, would they not? So why is Omega the only way to get IRS...