Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Originally Posted by Z284ever
G8 would have been a rebadged Commodore, Buick Invicta(?) would have been a Holden Statesman.
BTW, if Buick survives, it may still get the Statesman....imported from Holden.
BTW, if Buick survives, it may still get the Statesman....imported from Holden.
Of course, what really puzzles me is why the Chicago Tribune would have an article about the cancellation of a GM platform that's still a couple years from production?
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Well, i can add this, i have in my hand a GM inter-company newsletter, mentioning several things that GM will be using the Zeta platform for, so unless they wasted the ink that they just printed out on this letter, to kill the program, or they changed there minds quickly, the letter even mentions the fact that GM is counting on sharing the Zeta platform between the gen 2 GTO, and the F-body, as well as talks of some cool buick goodies, even the return od the "Grand National" name either as a model, or as an option package on a future model, the article mentioned that their is the possiblility of a V8 Camaro or the possible option of a TT V-6 from one of the Buick's. So for now, i am not holding my breath to any news of Zeta cancellation, till i see GM inform there own emplyee's of it in writing.
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Originally Posted by ZYA_LTR
Well, i can add this, i have in my hand a GM inter-company newsletter, mentioning several things that GM will be using the Zeta platform for, so unless they wasted the ink that they just printed out on this letter, to kill the program, or they changed there minds quickly, the letter even mentions the fact that GM is counting on sharing the Zeta platform between the gen 2 GTO, and the F-body, as well as talks of some cool buick goodies, even the return od the "Grand National" name either as a model, or as an option package on a future model, the article mentioned that their is the possiblility of a V8 Camaro or the possible option of a TT V-6 from one of the Buick's. So for now, i am not holding my breath to any news of Zeta cancellation, till i see GM inform there own emplyee's of it in writing.
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Someone really needs to sticky the "Zeta is dead" article. There are threads about it popping up like mad.
I think back to the thread about Car and Driver giving the Mustang the nod in it's comparison with the GTO through a category called "Gotta have it factor." Now it seems like part of the reason GM is in trouble is because they have no "gotta have it" vehicles. I guess subjective ratings (in magazines and the real world) mean the most after all.
I think back to the thread about Car and Driver giving the Mustang the nod in it's comparison with the GTO through a category called "Gotta have it factor." Now it seems like part of the reason GM is in trouble is because they have no "gotta have it" vehicles. I guess subjective ratings (in magazines and the real world) mean the most after all.
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Originally Posted by shadydavy 95 TA
Someone really needs to sticky the "Zeta is dead" article. There are threads about it popping up like mad.
Someone really needs to sticky guionM's post from a few weeks back saying not to panic when some discouraging news gets released this Spring.
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Originally Posted by guionM
I've said on at least 3 separate threads that GM will NOT sacrifice upcoming products over their financial problems. Now here it is officially:
Though there will be changes in UAW negotiations, plant capacity, and GM will probally finally abandon this odd policy of producing cars 1st, and figuring out how to sell them later, the new product carnage & doom and gloom is grossly exaggerated. I also said if GM doesn't have a Mustang competitor by 2008 model year, this means GM's probally going to collaspe. GM has $23 billion in the bank and at least as much money in other sellable assets.
As I've said plenty of times already, sit back and just see what happens.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...m_what__s_next
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...t&sid=95616385
Though there will be changes in UAW negotiations, plant capacity, and GM will probally finally abandon this odd policy of producing cars 1st, and figuring out how to sell them later, the new product carnage & doom and gloom is grossly exaggerated. I also said if GM doesn't have a Mustang competitor by 2008 model year, this means GM's probally going to collaspe. GM has $23 billion in the bank and at least as much money in other sellable assets.
As I've said plenty of times already, sit back and just see what happens.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...m_what__s_next
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...t&sid=95616385
does that explain this ?
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102031
GM halts work on rwd cars due in 2008; automaker to focus on next-generation SUVs
JASON STEIN | Automotive News
Posted Date: 3/21/05
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Originally Posted by graham
And like sands through the hourglass..... lol
/\ That constantly rings through my head while reading this forum sometimes.
/\ That constantly rings through my head while reading this forum sometimes.
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I agree with what was stated earlier, GM has no "gotta have it cars" GM has some good products and some cool cars but nothing people are dying over. I love the GTO and other stuff but not every kid my age on the street is drooling over GM products.
The up comming trucks and SUV's need to better than the next generation trucks and suv's that anyone else would put out. It needs to be better than anything the asians bring out cause let's face it, Ford and Dodge have a crappy product. If this cut of kappa is gonna help truck/suv quality, I'm for it, cause it's cash cow. I want my rwd chevy, buick and pontiac products, but look. Trucks make the money.
I think we will see a new camaro. I don't think Lutz is stupid enough to drop it. He knows how many of us out there want this car back and he sees the mustang kicking ***. All the stuff I've read on the net seems to point that way even with kappa being canceled, who knows, it's gonna be an interesting next few years
The up comming trucks and SUV's need to better than the next generation trucks and suv's that anyone else would put out. It needs to be better than anything the asians bring out cause let's face it, Ford and Dodge have a crappy product. If this cut of kappa is gonna help truck/suv quality, I'm for it, cause it's cash cow. I want my rwd chevy, buick and pontiac products, but look. Trucks make the money.
I think we will see a new camaro. I don't think Lutz is stupid enough to drop it. He knows how many of us out there want this car back and he sees the mustang kicking ***. All the stuff I've read on the net seems to point that way even with kappa being canceled, who knows, it's gonna be an interesting next few years
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I thought I'd contribute my 2c worth... 
Let's lay off some of the members here who supply us with the inside info we all seem to thrive on! I'd like to thank them for continuing to inform us true enthusiasts here despite the antics of some members.
Let me ask the basic question, when have Toyota ever offered gotta have products? That doesn't stop people from buying up their products in volumes? Toyota have never catered to the enthusiast yet remains an increasingly successful company because it does the basic things well. GM is slowly learning that nice interiors, good dependable reliability and good resale will always draw new buyers to the fold. The trick is to lure the buyers in from an early age and to retain their loyalty as repeat customers.
I must admit, the decision relating to the postponement of RWDs is a bit hard to take... as I remember reading one post that seemed to aptly sum up the situation - a lot of effort, resources and focus will be applied to the GMT900 program so that the more profitable vehicles are introduced slightly earlier than originally planned by delaying the badly needed RWDs... sounds a bit unbalanced from an outsider looking in but I have enough faith to believe that GM know what they are doing on that front.
We're a little luckier in Aus in that we will sample the new RWD architecture a little earlier than our counterparts in NA. Although Toyota are leading the domestic sales race due to offering a broad 4WD range, Toyota cannot compete with Holden on passenger vehicle sales as Holden have a perceived advantage of offering RWD. Camry sales are less than half that of Commodore.
I hope GM learn from their Aussie friends that having RWD in their volume vehicles will give them a distinct advantage over their Japanese rivals in NA.
Let's lay off some of the members here who supply us with the inside info we all seem to thrive on! I'd like to thank them for continuing to inform us true enthusiasts here despite the antics of some members.
Let me ask the basic question, when have Toyota ever offered gotta have products? That doesn't stop people from buying up their products in volumes? Toyota have never catered to the enthusiast yet remains an increasingly successful company because it does the basic things well. GM is slowly learning that nice interiors, good dependable reliability and good resale will always draw new buyers to the fold. The trick is to lure the buyers in from an early age and to retain their loyalty as repeat customers.
I must admit, the decision relating to the postponement of RWDs is a bit hard to take... as I remember reading one post that seemed to aptly sum up the situation - a lot of effort, resources and focus will be applied to the GMT900 program so that the more profitable vehicles are introduced slightly earlier than originally planned by delaying the badly needed RWDs... sounds a bit unbalanced from an outsider looking in but I have enough faith to believe that GM know what they are doing on that front.
We're a little luckier in Aus in that we will sample the new RWD architecture a little earlier than our counterparts in NA. Although Toyota are leading the domestic sales race due to offering a broad 4WD range, Toyota cannot compete with Holden on passenger vehicle sales as Holden have a perceived advantage of offering RWD. Camry sales are less than half that of Commodore.
I hope GM learn from their Aussie friends that having RWD in their volume vehicles will give them a distinct advantage over their Japanese rivals in NA.
Last edited by SSbaby; Mar 22, 2005 at 05:35 AM.
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Another problem for Holden is that the 4WD range will have to wait as GM NA have cancelled the midsize (?) RHD 4WD that was being made for Holden and Europe. Beating Toyota consistently in sales will have to wait I guess.
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Re: Again, GM isn't sacrificing vehicles in their pipeline!
Supergrobo82, it's not Kappa that's been cancelled, but Zeta. Kappa is what's underneath the Solstice, Sky, and an Opel roadster. Besides, Kappa is long past the "Point of No (Profitable) Return" for cancellation, I think.
