Sigma as a starting point....very possible....I'd give it a 50-50 chance. That or something completely new.

And stay stubborn Doug, I am too.

 

All of this is driving me crazy, one site and its resident insider is saying that the cancelation is true. Then I come over here and hear just the opposite.....My head is swimming.......I think I'm going 2 take sometime of from these forums and see what plays out. Worse case scenario I get my CTS-V and never ever buy another new GM product again,but we'll see...see U guys in 2008.

 

Are we absolutely sure about Zeta being dead?

Did we ever really know about the true nature of the Zeta-platform? (I'm starting to wonder.)

Will the two "new" RWD sedans turn out to be rebadged versions of the Holden VE?

 

yeah, so when does GM "officially" announce it?

 

If the Chicago Tribune and Z284ever's not-so-subtle hints are true, then yes.

Well when it was put forth that we should expect two "new" RWD sedan products from GM I assumed they would truly be new cars (original sheetmetal and interiors) on the new Zeta architecture. Just how "new" Zeta's components were going to be is certainly up for debate, but by "new" for North America I certainly didn't expect rebadged Holdens.

 

G8 would have been a rebadged Commodore, Buick Invicta(?) would have been a Holden Statesman.

BTW, if Buick survives, it may still get the Statesman....imported from Holden.

 

Worst sticky-thread ever.

 

I read the article and all it says to me is that GM is not going to develop cars on a co-designed "Zeta" platform with the idea of some built here, some in Australia. That doesn't mean cars for NA will not be put on Australia's (I now suppose fully Australian) Zeta platform. GM could have just decided to keep one of the versions for the NA market, or maybe they just didn't even need to because they are using Sigma or something else.

Sounds like they aren't going to mess with Holden as much and mess up the good thing they have going.

 

Actually its one of the better ones IMHO. It'll put to rest some of the false speculation that'll just lead us around in circles...kind of like "New 5th gen Camaro pics!!11"

 

Sadly it maybe too late. Holden have fired hundereds of people probably because they were put on to help handle all the extra work load that came with the NA vehicles. No work and they are gone.

Also if I remember correctly this will really hurt Holden as they were already way over budget on Zeta (before Zeta was to go to GM NA the budget was something like $1b, but when GM NA wanted a piece of the cake the budget blew out to make the car completely suitable for GM NA from day 1) and the GM NA sales of the cars was to help pay off Zeta. Now no GM NA sales and a budget blow out caused by GM NA will mean that anything special from Holden like the Monaro will be unlikely as Holden will use most of their money from Zeta to pay it off.

 

They might not do it for current reasons but they can always come up with another reason. I don't believe anything the PR department has to say, and to be honest, my only issue is the return of the Camaro (or replacement).

 

If I might pause the snowball for one second, I would like to throw this in...

.... Days ago (weeks I guess) in another thread Guy warned of conflicting information that we would be hearing for the next while. He warned us to not be easily swayed or buy into those reports.

Am I the only one here thinking that the dead Zeta news could be such a report..?

 

No.

Add to that, is Zeta being killed such a bad thing? I remember Charlie was one of the people who was dead set against the next Camaro being on Zeta.

 

And like sands through the hourglass..... lol

/\ That constantly rings through my head while reading this forum sometimes.

 

So I guess that the real beef is between guionM and the Chicago Tribune? All I can say for certain is that guionM can make a thread "sticky."




At this point, I don't know what to expect.