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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:38 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Don't forget that they killed the Hurricane motor program too...Again, another major mistake in my opinion. I agree, Neil...It pretty much seems that the Z06 has made a bigger impact than the GT did. Things were looking good a couple years ago but now once the GT is gone there will be basically nothing desirable, (performance wise), that will have a Ford badge on it...At least as far as I'm concerned
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
While we're on the subject, I wonder what the deal would be with SVT if John Coletti were still around?

I think things would be different.

I was thinking the exact same thing when reading this post... I used to love it when him and Moss would go at it

I can't believe I'm going to say this but I hope Ford pulls it together and get SVT back in line because they really are the Ying to our Yang!
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

it seems Ford has taken the corporate notes from GM circa 1980's.


Let's see, they are scrapping the GT, touted as having such a great concept to production plan that they could have used it for other models. The GT could have spawned a front engine 2 seat GT that could have come in under 100k, and been a likely competitor for the Viper/Z06. Instead they scrap the whole damn thing. Nice. Which was incidentally developed by SVT.


Next they scrap the SVT Adrenaline.


The GT500 filling the GT void? Don't think so. Will you see people trading in their Ferrari's for GT500s? Not a chance.

THe problem with the GT is where do you go next? For a re-design you have no options. You would need to create a whole different car. Maybe this is why they are scrapping it.

From what I heard it was profitable. So I don't see any logic behind dropping a profitable model, no matter what it is.



Now ford has the Mazda 6 derived family of cars. They must have saved a bundle on all the money they saved by using the Mazda 6 platform, so where was this money going that is causing all the problems?

Maybe it is AM, Jag and Land Rover..... who knows.


If they offer a SVT Fusion with AWD, V6 and a manual trans, I'll look into it, because I havn't heard anything about an exciting 4 door from GM with Awd or Rwd. I think they will do well with the Fusion, but their big car is going away so they can kiss those annual Police/Taxi sales goodbye.

They are starting to make stupid decisions, too bad because they are at a point where things should be starting to look really bright....
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

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Don't forget that they killed the Hurricane motor program too...Again, another major mistake in my opinion. I agree, Neil...It pretty much seems that the Z06 has made a bigger impact than the GT did. Things were looking good a couple years ago but now once the GT is gone there will be basically nothing desirable, (performance wise), that will have a Ford badge on it...At least as far as I'm concerned

They are putting all their eggs into the GT500.

pretty dumb, because it will suffer the same fate as the GT.

Chevy will be making the Camaro. If they don't they will Tic off so many people that they will have people selling their GM products and buying other makes. Not all of them, but it will happen. When you have a following like they do for the Camaro then make a concept liek that, and then say it's not goign to happen, you really shoot yourself in the foot.

Also, when was the last time any Camaro was out-done by a Mustang?

The Shelby is a 07 model. If the Camaro comes out as an 07 they will probably have the SS come out a little later, and let the GT500 have it's minute in the sun, before it gets totally overshadowed by a Camaro.

Which is bad for Ford. They could have used the Euro Focus over here including the Cossie awd turbo version. They are also releasing that new 3.5L duratec V6 with 250 hp, it will be in a lot of ford models, so well see what happens. It sounds to me like they are making irrational decisions based upon Wall street expectations. Sure there were a few bad months, but even GM (with the doom and gloom predictions about Jan) was up 9% in Jan.
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Yeah, not even two years ago, it seemed that Ford had the affordable performance crown all but assured and now it has all but evaporated. The Mustang is the sole performance vehicle at Ford. What happened? All the performance trucks that were around and "on the way" are gone. Every SVT is gone and there are no exciting Mercurys or Lincolns around or even on the horizon as far as I can tell.
It's amazing isn't it? How quickly things can go down the crapper. SVT, as an organization had developed an enviable, finely honed, image. This whole Shelby thing didn't help SVT either.
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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Thats too bad, I was curious to see what the Adrenaline could do.
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
It's amazing isn't it? How quickly things can go down the crapper. SVT, as an organization had developed an enviable, finely honed, image. This whole Shelby thing didn't help SVT either.
Ain't that the truth!

The day before the Explorer fiasco, Ford had seemingly all the money in the world. Over a year ago, Ford was looking forward to a RWD coupe and sedan, the GT's replacement that would have worn the Cobra name (why the name was dropped from the GT500), the SVT version of the Sport Trac, SVT tuned Fusion and a turbo SVT Focus, and that's just the known stuff. Now, the only thing solidly on the plate after the GT500 is the next special Mustang (likely a scooped "Boss", not a Mach 1).

Amazing as it seems, General Motors is going to be THE excitement company within a couple of years. Sure, Chrysler is probally going to have quicker metal, and an SRT of everything (no.... literally.....everything!!!), but GM is going to have a wide variety.

Ford won't go under, and they promise quicker versions of the new group of cars hitting the streets (including Fusion) and they no doubt will be making money. But they are shaping up to be a very small company.

I really hope I'm wrong because it's alot more fun with competition.

Just ask the Mustang guys.
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Also, is it just me or does it seem that the Ford GT didn't really make as big of an impact as expected?
I kind of agree...even at that price point, it didn't seem to have quite the impact it should have. A shaky launch could've been to blame....
Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:08 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

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Ain't that the truth!

The day before the Explorer fiasco, Ford had seemingly all the money in the world. Over a year ago, Ford was looking forward to a RWD coupe and sedan, the GT's replacement that would have worn the Cobra name (why the name was dropped from the GT500), the SVT version of the Sport Trac, SVT tuned Fusion and a turbo SVT Focus, and that's just the known stuff. Now, the only thing solidly on the plate after the GT500 is the next special Mustang (likely a scooped "Boss", not a Mach 1).

I know Ford has said no SVT Fusion for a couple of years or so. But right now, Ford should quicken it's step to havr one to be ready by this fall.

And like Proud Pony said, get the Marauder back NOW!
Old Feb 4, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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That's a shame...I really liked the Adrenaline concept...
Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:03 AM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Originally Posted by 5thGen
The Shelby is a 07 model. If the Camaro comes out as an 07 they will probably have the SS come out a little later, and let the GT500 have it's minute in the sun, before it gets totally overshadowed by a Camaro.
I doubt that, once all the hoopla dies down, the Shelby or its derivative will be a very accessible car. Unless GM can bring a LS-7 Camaro to market in the high 20's to low 30's (meaning, figuratively it will undercut the Shelby in price in much the same fashion that the Z06 undercut the GT) its not gonna create the same kinda buzz.
Old Feb 6, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

The GT was not axed. It's just coming to its production cycle ending which was known since its introduction.

The LS being dropped is a major mistake.

The SVT ST being canceled is a blow to the Explorer line which needs all the press it can get. I hope that this will be brought back in time.

Maybe SVT is sinking its time right now in developing a new L with IRS on the upcoming 09 T1. With a Hurricane.
Old Feb 6, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

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Maybe SVT is sinking its time right now in developing a new L with IRS on the upcoming 09 T1. With a Hurricane.
With a Hurricane?
Old Feb 6, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

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The GT was not axed. It's just coming to its production cycle ending which was known since its introduction.

The LS being dropped is a major mistake.

The SVT ST being canceled is a blow to the Explorer line which needs all the press it can get. I hope that this will be brought back in time.

Maybe SVT is sinking its time right now in developing a new L with IRS on the upcoming 09 T1. With a Hurricane.
2009 is too far away.

In this day and time, for ANY car/truck to take more than 18 months to get to the showroom floor is too long.

L will be back, but with what powersource is yet to be seen.
Old Feb 6, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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Re: In addition to LS and GT, Ford kills Sport-Trac.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
With a Hurricane?
Hurricane/BOSS which ever you choose to call it.

The "new" engine most likely wont show til later though. Remember SVT runs each model in 2 year cycles.



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