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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 02:29 PM
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50 billion dollar bailout for big 3 may be in the works

I had no idea any of this was even being discussed.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Plunging auto sales, high gas prices and election year politics could help convince Congress to approve a $50 billion loan package to embattled U.S. automakers that Detroit's Big Three claim is key to their future success.

On Wednesday, General Motors (GM, Fortune 500), Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) and Chrysler LLC reported monthly sales declines of at least 20% from a year ago, as American car buyers continued to turn away from SUVs and pickups and towards more fuel efficient car models.

The Big Three are now in the process of closing truck assembly lines and rushing to catch up with hybrid and other fuel efficient offerings from Toyota Motor (TM) and Honda Motor (HMC).

But with GM and Ford saddled with junk bond debt ratings and privately-held Chrysler with the thinnest capital cushion of the three, Detroit is caught in a credit squeeze that will make such investment difficult if not impossible.

"Funding such a shift is a tough lift even under optimum circumstances," said GM spokesman Greg Martin. "The credit markets are suffering. You had this seismic inversion of the market where no one wants to buy a full-size truck."

Thus, the automakers have deployed what one industry official describes as a "surge" of lobbyists and executives at both the Democratic and Republican Party's political conventions. The Big Three's hope is that if they can win speedy passage of the loan package, they can move more quickly to retool their plants to produce more smaller cars.

The $50 billion loan package, first proposed by the auto industry last month, has won the support of presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain as their campaigns eye key votes in Michigan and Ohio.

On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino signaled the outgoing Bush administration was open to approving the loans.

"It's something we're aware of and we're talking to the members of Congress and also the people in the industry, and thinking about what they might think would be required from their perspective," she said.

But as much support as the idea has, the automakers say they can't let up until the loan package is not only signed into law but also funded by Congress.

Last year's energy bill included up to $25 billion in loans to the Big Three, but lacked the necessary funding to actually make the money available.

That earlier legislation would allow automakers and suppliers to borrow the money at Treasury bill rates for up to 25 years as a way to fund the conversion of plants and the development of new technology. Because of their poor financial status, the automakers would be forced to borrow money at rates well above 10% in the open market.

The automakers have argued this is not a bailout and point out that the estimated cost of complying with new, tougher fuel efficiency standards for vehicles is just over $100 billion.

"Borrowing capital at a lower cost than the double-digit rates we're looking at will allow us to accelerate the technology, and transform the business quicker," said Ford spokesman Mike Moran.
Will a bailout work?

Industry experts say that while the savings from the lower interest rates would amount to billions of dollars for the automakers, the program may not necessarily save a member of the Big Three from eventual bankruptcy in the way that federal loan guarantees rescued Chrysler in the 1970's.

"I'm not sure it's either essential for their survival or a guarantee of their turnaround," said Bob Schnorbus, chief economist with J.D. Power & Associates. "They're going to need a lot of liquidity over the next two years. Even $50 billion, with a lot of strings attached, isn't going to make or break them."

But David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, said the loan package could be enough to keep some plants open that would otherwise be closed.

Cole added that the package is important to help keep GM, Ford and Chrysler competitive against their Asian rivals. So far this year, the Big Three have captured only 47% of U.S. auto sales, down from 51% in the same period last year.

"More than anything else, [the loan program] would ensure the viability of the companies over the longer-term," said Cole. "Right now they have to invest an enormous amount of cash in new technology at a time when their cash is low."

Under language of the bill, the loans would also be available to overseas automakers that have plants here, but industry officials say it's unlikely any would make use of the money. That's because foreign-based auto companies have strong enough balance sheets to finance the investment in new technology without the U.S. government's help.

Toyota spokeswoman Martha Voss said the company is neutral on the loan proposal at this time but that it will continue to monitor the discussions in Congress.

Cole argues the loan package could be a relatively cheap alternative to the economic harm that would take place if one of the automakers were to fall into bankruptcy. The estimated cost of the program is less than $8 billion, which factors in the risk of default on the loans.

"It's like with the Bear Stearns bailout," he said, referring to the investment bank that was sold to JPMorgan Chase with the help of the Federal Reserve earlier this year. "With so many jobs depending on each assembly line job, a failure could trigger a much more serious problem."

Cole and the automakers also think winning the support for the loans will be easier now that Congress has moved to help mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie Mac (FRE, Fortune 500) as well as home owners who borrowed more than they could afford on their mortgages.

"This is a technology partnership, it's not a blank check like for Fannie and Freddie," said Linda Becker, a spokeswoman for Chrysler. "This is a critical time to improve the country's fuel economy."

But while Cole thinks there's a 75% chance the automakers will win what they're seeking, the automakers themselves say they have a relatively small window to get what they need. Congress is likely to be in session for about a month before the pre-election recess and winning approval in a new Congress could be difficult.

And even if a loan package is approved by Congress next year, the automakers say they need to get access to the cash sooner than later as auto sales continue to slide. So the Big Three is likely to put more pressure on Obama and McCain as well as members of Congress in the next few weeks.

"It's got the attention of both candidates and the battleground states are our states. It's where we do business," said Becker. "Every time they come through those states, they're going to hear from us and the employees and constituents."
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:34 PM
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That's one way to get me to by a foreign car.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:37 PM
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I could see bailing out GM and Ford if its definitely needed.


But Chrysler... I dunno... they just don't seem to be getting the change in the market and seem to be doing the same they always do.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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how about taxing foreign cars like they tax us when we export them
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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how about taxing foreign cars like they tax us when we export them
that makes too much sense
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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how about taxing foreign cars like they tax us when we export them
And how about taxing all foreign electronics as well?
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKN SS
That's one way to get me to by a foreign car.
Great!! Support the slide even more!!

Anyway, in reference to the Chrysler comment, they really do have some great products coming. I know they're working on a couple projects closely with Nissan, and to be honest, the new ownership has a lot more on the ball than Daimler ever did.

They just got stuck with the crap left over after the breakup, and the auto market has weakened far more than ANY company or analyst could've imagined.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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And how about taxing all foreign electronics as well?
Like RCA t.v.'s?
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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How about rather than giving the money to the big 3, they give that money to taxpayers in the form of big 3 gift certificates?

The US government makes the Kremlin look right wing.
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
Great!! Support the slide even more!!

Anyway, in reference to the Chrysler comment, they really do have some great products coming. I know they're working on a couple projects closely with Nissan, and to be honest, the new ownership has a lot more on the ball than Daimler ever did.

They just got stuck with the crap left over after the breakup, and the auto market has weakened far more than ANY company or analyst could've imagined.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but isn't Nissan also clinging to toilet paper in the big swirling bowl of automakers going down the drain?
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 97QuasarBlue3.8
Feel free to prove me wrong, but isn't Nissan also clinging to toilet paper in the big swirling bowl of automakers going down the drain?

Asia-based brands, led by Nissan Motor Co.'s 14 percent gain, raised their share of August U.S. sales to 47.3 percent, beating General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler for a fourth month, research firm Autodata Corp. said yesterday. While Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda fell, they dropped less than the U.S. trio.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...8AE&refer=asia
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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I guess it's been a few months since I've looked at sales figures, but last I heard, June 2008 sales were down something like 17% for Nissan as an entire brand.

That's good that they're on the mend...I actually like the 350/370 Z a little bit, and Chrysler can definitely use the help if they're able to move cars.
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 97QuasarBlue3.8
I guess it's been a few months since I've looked at sales figures, but last I heard, June 2008 sales were down something like 17% for Nissan as an entire brand.

That's good that they're on the mend...I actually like the 350/370 Z a little bit, and Chrysler can definitely use the help if they're able to move cars.
Yeah, I just heard this about Nissan a day or two ago and was quite surprised. But, I have realized that I have been seeing alot more of their cars on the road and around here, where Chevy and Ford rule the roost, that's fairly amazing.

And as far as Chrysler goes, I had a meeting with them in ...I believe it was May... for a project I'm doing with them and had the opportunity to speak at length with several of their top engineers and designers. I was truly impressed with what I learned about what they've got coming up with future vehicles. Creature comforts, safety features, styling, add-on accessories, and engine choices/fuel efficiency are all going to be greatly improved on upcoming models. I was never a huge Chrysler fan (only liked Dodge trucks to an extent) but what I learned while at their facilities, speaking with the people behind the scenes, and getting a first-hand look at concept and pre-production vehicles really changed my opinion.

Not sure I'll be running out and buying a Chrysler real soon, but that's because I'm a big GM fan. However, if they were to offer me a great deal on a R/T Magnum I might change my mind.
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:53 AM
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Great!! Support the slide even more!!
How much support was there, and where was the 50 Billion dollars, for American Electronics Manufacturers during the 70s and 80s.

If the big three get their bailout, the top execs are still going to draw their multimillion dollar salaries and excessive bonuses and continue to run inefficient corporations.

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