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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Makes you wonder, all the miracle milage enhancers of the past that were bs,like the 100 mpg carb and stuff. 400 hp and 80 mpg ? Big oil will give him a heart attack if it is true and carry on. I've been loyal to GM especially Chevrolet since I was a kid but along with the ugly gas guzzlin' SUVs they should have developed a high mpg cool car to drive. Some super efficient turbo 4 cylinder or something that gets 50-60 mpg. People would sure as hell buy them now.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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Are you really suggesting that the LSX engine is no more effcient than the earlest SBC?
When did I say that? It is definitely more efficient, if 50 years didn't change anything I'd be pretty worried. But I'm still hesitant to think that's the best we can do...

edit: I also find it disturbing that my ancient 3.8 Buick will outdo any current midsize in terms of acceleration and MPG.

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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Phoenix
When did I say that? It is definitely more efficient, if 50 years didn't change anything I'd be pretty worried. But I'm still hesitant to think that's the best we can do...
What you said was "No one has been able to improve the ICE to get better gas mileage." Now you're saying "Ok, they improved it, but I don't think they did the best they could." You changed your tune, man.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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The fact you can actually get 300+ rwhp out of an engine that gets 25+ mpg highway is pretty incredible when you really think about it.

If you try and compare an engine from the 60's or 70's to one built today you are missing out on so much. The engine is greatly improved in every way except ease of service.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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Funny thing to me, is everyone is calling b.s.; it says the guy claims he has spent 1.4 million in technology and patents, i don't think someone drops a 1.4mil to get recognized, only by some tiny online site; it also states he has found a partner, Rocket Ventures, which after just a second of resarch, you find is a legit company, with a reputation for helping businesses grow ALOT, this partnership was apparently verified by the reporter, because he got a quote from Todd Davies, business development manager of Rocket Ventures.

You better believe this guy is a genius, and has plans of making ALOT of money. it sounds like he is using th contest next year, to prove it's for real, then he will sell his patents to a major auto manufactor for a very pretty penny; he realizes he can't just give it to the manufatuers just yet, as he said he was afraid the people would never see it.

I don't believe everything i hear, im generally pretty skeptical, but if a 400hp vette can get 30mpg highway, and cars with half that horsepower, get just a little bit more or sometimes less mpg...what makes anyone think technology can't get a 40hp,500tq,80mpg done?

I wouldn't expect to see this technology tomorrow, but I definately wouldn't pull the b.s. flag on this one

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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:40 PM
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If it is true and can be retrofitted to other engines then happy freakin' days ! I'll keep an eye out for the contest and see how he does.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by shock6906
What you said was "No one has been able to improve the ICE to get better gas mileage." Now you're saying "Ok, they improved it, but I don't think they did the best they could." You changed your tune, man.
I want a dramatic improvement, things like displacement on demand add what... 2% to fuel economy? Look at what really improved the fuel economy of a 67 Camaro vs a 97 Camaro. The 97 gets a 0.5 top gear and the 67 gets a top gear of 1:1. So already the 67 is going to get progressively worse mileage at any speed over 50. Back then the carburated motors got low end cams, in the end none of these motors were designed for efficiency becuase no one cared. A guy in my old f-body club got 12 MPG in his 67 I believe, my LT1 got 18. Huge improvement for 30 years.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:47 PM
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My geuss for what he is doing is; High compression (maybe 14-15:1) ,Boosted, Direct injection, Cylinder diactivation, and tuned it to run crazy lean.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Did he install one of these?
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Did he install one of these?
Those are only worth like 15hp each so he would need like 20 of them.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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Did he install one of these?
YES! Perhaps combind with...



Old Jul 2, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shock6906
I don't recall ever hearing about 300-400 horsepower cars in the late 60s and early 70's pulling down 25-30 highway miles per gallon while still making 0-60 in the 5.x second range and pulling 12's and 13's in the 1/4 mile.
Of course we have improved the design and improved the parts to make the engines more powerful and slightly better with fuel economy....

But, in the last 50 years, we have jumped leaps and bounds in technology.... We have things today and knowledge of the world that was science fiction back then....

Yet, we cannot design a better engine. Today's engines are based on the same design 100 years ago...

With jets, space shuttles, mars landers, super computers, nano technology, etc. you think we could design something a little better..... IN fact, we should have, buy until recently no one has cared due to low fuel prices
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 07:57 PM
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I know they are in it for the money, any moron could tell you that. I'm not a tree hugger or anything like that, just saw the movie which may or may not be biased and it sure looked like there was a demand, and this was 10 years ago.
You think the movie was biased? It was called "Who killed the electric car?" Did you think it was going to be a documentary? No, it is an editorial.
How is the problem with the people? Are we expected to go out and build a car out of our garage that gets 60 mpg? Given my background in cars and an engineering degree i probably could but i have better things to do with my time.
No. I think the public's buying habits need to match their needs. If people cared about the environment or fuel economy then they need to demonstrate that there IS a need for this type of vehicle through their buying habits.
Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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VW had a bug getting 84mpg back in the 60's:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XUKOUbp_PA

Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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Don't you guys remember the MYT engine?



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