foxbat

even so, let's (hypothetically) say the vette goes up to 450, that still only gives chevy the ability to MAYBE come in at 420-425 hp on the camaro. 425 hp on a 3600-3700 pound camaro will still be very close in performance to a 400 hp 3500 pound GT. of course, all of this is hypo, but it's also rumored that the GT is being sent off to jenny craig. so, it may weigh less than the camaro. we'll see.

CLEAN

It's going to have to, because it weighs more than 3500 now. Throw in a heavier 32v engine, and it's not going to get any lighter.

grossesexy

I'm still waiting to see the MPG predictions for the new GT. Anybody? With all this supposed insider information when are we going to get a hint towards that?

The current setup does not get good mileage and with the current and future gas price issues, poor mileage is not going to be considered acceptable for a new car purchase.

Not even enthusiasts are immune to a nagging spouse, higher food bill, and other mitigating factors which will turn them away from poor gas mileage.

teal98

Considering that this is rumored to be a 2011 model, and such numbers typically don't come out until just before the car is put on sale, you're probably looking at waiting 2 years for EPA numbers.

grossesexy

I'd be satisfied with a "it will do better than the current model" or "it will be the same or worse than the current model" type prediction. If we have all this inside information being spilled about the engine's horsepower and chassis weight then I'm guessing somebody knows about potential gearing and should be able to give a reasonable estimate like I stated.

teal98

Okay. It'll probably be a little better.

Capn Pete

We're gonna hold you to that, ok??

GTOJack

2009 Mustang production started Tuesday, May 27 at the Flat Rock MI plant. Yesterday I saw an orange Mustang with temp tags and a 302 decal on the side. Probably a Boss 302, but I dont know the hp/tq ratings. I guess my anemic 315hp 2008 Bullitt is already obsolete!

cjmatt

i dont know what youre talking about. New engines and refreshed mustangs did not start last month

Stealth 86 LSC

could be the saleen.

Sephiroth

And the price issue.
I can't find the thread anymore, but I could've sworn I read one on here that was a copy of Mr. Lutz saying the price of the new Camaro was going to be a premium and wasn't concerned with the GT....which kinda doesn't make sense...but who knows.
If the prices are anywhere near what they were in 02, I'll be buying a GT again in 2011.

boomer78

You're comparing a 2 seater purpose built 500hp sports car to a 4 seater 500hp pony car, that don't even cost/weigh the same. Might as well compare them to a SRT10 pickup as well...

About as many Camaro fans will be disappointed with the Z28 then, even it if performs well. Ask anyone who's owned both, and I can guarentee that most will choose the GT500 over the Cobra.

GT500 is quicker. Not taking away from the Cobra.


Will have to wait to see gearing/tranny/weight/powre on that one.
BUT... that would be current GT500, not the future GT500. It's not like that car will stand still either.

Capn Pete

Whoa, let's back this train up a little, ok? I made a simple remark, and you jumped all over me for it:
And as far as price?? Heh, once the dealers slap on their hefty mark-ups, the GT500 IS almost as expensive as the Z06!

GREAT argument!

So you're saying that just as many people are going to be disappointed with the Camaro? (a car that pretty much NOBODY knows anything about yet) as the GT500?? Hmmm, so you're admitting that there are people disappointed with the GT500?? (if it's not the GT500's lack-lustre performance, then what are the reasons, do you know???). Nice to know that you have such high expectations for the Camaro already .

AND, you say that most prefer the newer GT500 over the '03/'04 Cobra?? BUT, considering your reasoning for people being disappointed in the next Camaro (certainly, this is because of the power/weight issue?) then I think you've just proved that argument WRONG, because now you're saying that most folks prefer the newer, heavier car?!

Wow, I'm confused!

Like I said, I don't know exactly what they run, but I remember reading after the GT500's first came out, and I was pretty sure that high 12's were about the norm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Cobras good for mid-high 12's too? I KNOW that they're over 100 HP less than the GT500 (THAT I know). And NOW, we're not comparing the GT500 to "purpose built 2-seater", we're comparing it DIRECTLY to its own flesh and blood! That, my friend, is my whole point!! You shouldn't be able to "compare" cars with ~100 HP difference, because you'd expect a HUGE gap in performance. And yet there isn't. And then, when I compare it to a car with the SAME HP, it gets its a$$ handed to it!

Maybe when the re-modelled Mustang GT comes out with its ~400 HP 5.0L, it'll actually perform how most would expect a ~400 HP car to perform?

yellow_99_gt

Head 2 Head - Cobra vs GT500

Surprising how that drag race turned out.

Sephiroth

No offesne Capn, but you are making yourself look pretty ignorant.