268hp V6 Corolla?
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Yea Totota is getting some serious HP out of those v-6's.
I test drove a RAV 4 V-6. It had 276HP and was 0-60 in 7.1 1/4 in 15.2 with a 5 speed automatic.
My wife might buy it cause it gets 27 mpg also.
I test drove a RAV 4 V-6. It had 276HP and was 0-60 in 7.1 1/4 in 15.2 with a 5 speed automatic.
My wife might buy it cause it gets 27 mpg also.
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It's not just Toyota; pretty much every time any manufacturer redesigns a car, it's bigger than its predecessor. Think Civic and Accord (which grew so much they had to slot in a new entry-level model to cater to those wanting something the size the Civic used to be). BMW 3-series have grown substantially over the years. GM's also guilty with most of their cars, e.g. CTS, j-bodies/delta, epsilon, 355s, 360s, 900s, and so on.
I'm not sure why this is. The only reason I can think of is cars naturally have to be redesigned every 4-8 years. But if they keep them exactly the same size it gives them nothing to brag about to their customers. I can't see them saying "come see the brand new Civic, it's exactly the same size as before except heavier and less fuel-efficient". Making cars bigger allows them to say they're bigger than their competitor, and also gives them an excuse why they keep getting porkier.
I'm not sure why this is. The only reason I can think of is cars naturally have to be redesigned every 4-8 years. But if they keep them exactly the same size it gives them nothing to brag about to their customers. I can't see them saying "come see the brand new Civic, it's exactly the same size as before except heavier and less fuel-efficient". Making cars bigger allows them to say they're bigger than their competitor, and also gives them an excuse why they keep getting porkier.
However, I'd say the Japanese are more guilty of this right now than the domestics are - they just have smaller models already in production elsewhere to bring in to fill the void.
Delta is not significantly bigger than the J-Bodies. Cobalt is less than an inch longer than a Cavalier and has a shorter wheelbase.
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Understand.
While some of you try to discredit Toyota for making a car with horrible gas mileage (before you even know the numbers), somewhere else 10x as many people are giving them credit for making (even though, according to what we know, it isn't real car) a fast car.
Will it sell is what you need to ask.
What it will do for the brand is what you need to ask.
You need to look at the XRS.
I'll save you some time, they stopped making it.
Understand though...
The S-runner didn't sell. This was because it wasn't marketed (neither was the XRS).
The X-runner is the nicest Toyota truck, and the nicest modern truck available. It was marketed and this helped it sell.
While some of you try to discredit Toyota for making a car with horrible gas mileage (before you even know the numbers), somewhere else 10x as many people are giving them credit for making (even though, according to what we know, it isn't real car) a fast car.
Will it sell is what you need to ask.
What it will do for the brand is what you need to ask.
You need to look at the XRS.
I'll save you some time, they stopped making it.
Understand though...
The S-runner didn't sell. This was because it wasn't marketed (neither was the XRS).
The X-runner is the nicest Toyota truck, and the nicest modern truck available. It was marketed and this helped it sell.
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Understand.
While some of you try to discredit Toyota for making a car with horrible gas mileage (before you even know the numbers), somewhere else 10x as many people are giving them credit for making (even though, according to what we know, it isn't real car) a fast car.
Will it sell is what you need to ask.
What it will do for the brand is what you need to ask.
You need to look at the XRS.
I'll save you some time, they stopped making it.
Understand though...
The S-runner didn't sell. This was because it wasn't marketed (neither was the XRS).
The X-runner is the nicest Toyota truck, and the nicest modern truck available. It was marketed and this helped it sell.
While some of you try to discredit Toyota for making a car with horrible gas mileage (before you even know the numbers), somewhere else 10x as many people are giving them credit for making (even though, according to what we know, it isn't real car) a fast car.
Will it sell is what you need to ask.
What it will do for the brand is what you need to ask.
You need to look at the XRS.
I'll save you some time, they stopped making it.
Understand though...
The S-runner didn't sell. This was because it wasn't marketed (neither was the XRS).
The X-runner is the nicest Toyota truck, and the nicest modern truck available. It was marketed and this helped it sell.
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that Toyota is making their cars bigger and less fuel efficient on one hand while playing the "green" card with the other and the public only sees the green card.
I think if they made this car it would definitely sell. The XRS had the 2ZZGE, which is a really peaky engine that was available with a 6 speed manual only. Toyota has discontinued use of that engine in ANY car in North America. I believe there's a much larger market here for a torquey V6 and an availabe auto. People seem to identify Honda with the high RPM screamers more than Toyota in the U.S. market for some reason. Must be the VTEC, yo. More name recognition than VVT-i, I guess.
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I'm not trying to discredit Toyota for making a car with horrible gas mileage. I don't think that it will be that horrible. If they did make this car it could probably get low to mid 20s combined. Camry and RAV-4 both get good mileage with the V6.
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that Toyota is making their cars bigger and less fuel efficient on one hand while playing the "green" card with the other and the public only sees the green card.
I think if they made this car it would definitely sell. The XRS had the 2ZZGE, which is a really peaky engine that was available with a 6 speed manual only. Toyota has discontinued use of that engine in ANY car in North America. I believe there's a much larger market here for a torquey V6 and an availabe auto. People seem to identify Honda with the high RPM screamers more than Toyota in the U.S. market for some reason. Must be the VTEC, yo. More name recognition than VVT-i, I guess.
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that Toyota is making their cars bigger and less fuel efficient on one hand while playing the "green" card with the other and the public only sees the green card.
I think if they made this car it would definitely sell. The XRS had the 2ZZGE, which is a really peaky engine that was available with a 6 speed manual only. Toyota has discontinued use of that engine in ANY car in North America. I believe there's a much larger market here for a torquey V6 and an availabe auto. People seem to identify Honda with the high RPM screamers more than Toyota in the U.S. market for some reason. Must be the VTEC, yo. More name recognition than VVT-i, I guess.
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Corolla is moving up in size. It will no longer be Toyota's small car offering. Yaris will be. I personally think this is a bit of a mistake since Corolla has always been associated with small and economical. It's especially a mistake since Yaris is not an impressive seller AFAIK.
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Originally Posted by Eric77TA
No no no. Don't you read the news? Toyota only makes the Prius and super fuel efficient cars. What are this Tundra and Sequoia you speak of? It's only the Americans that make those big, nasty, dirty inneficient trucks. Toyota only makes magical fuel efficient cars sprinkled with fairy dust. Their exhaust plants trees as they drive by.
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No no no. Don't you read the news? Toyota only makes the Prius and super fuel efficient cars. What are this Tundra and Sequoia you speak of? It's only the Americans that make those big, nasty, dirty inneficient trucks. Toyota only makes magical fuel efficient cars sprinkled with fairy dust. Their exhaust plants trees as they drive by.
Quoted for truth.
I will QFTx2
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Toyota making more "American" cars, and gm making more "japanize" type cars. hmmmmm 
As for being an R32 competion, I drove the first R32 in the charlotte area, and I was NOT impressed. The interior was not much different that a regular GTI, the slightly larger offset inline 6 didn't really have that much more power. The all wheel drive was cool, but I think a WRX or an EVO would crush it in a rally event. The only real plus in book is that it is made in Germany rather than Brazil like the Jetta, Beetle, and regular GTI's (The Brazilian VW's have far lower quality). Now the REAL R32's that are in Europe I'd probably give my left nut for.
As for being an R32 competion, I drove the first R32 in the charlotte area, and I was NOT impressed. The interior was not much different that a regular GTI, the slightly larger offset inline 6 didn't really have that much more power. The all wheel drive was cool, but I think a WRX or an EVO would crush it in a rally event. The only real plus in book is that it is made in Germany rather than Brazil like the Jetta, Beetle, and regular GTI's (The Brazilian VW's have far lower quality). Now the REAL R32's that are in Europe I'd probably give my left nut for.
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Seriously, it's something like 10.6 degrees between cylinders. There's a single head. It's a weird layout!
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