90 Z28SS

Trap speeds in a 2950lb SS Cobalt are 102-103 ...mag times anyways ....back in 82 that woulda been insane in Camaro

Z284ever

For sure. That motor, in an '82 Camaro - in '82 - would have laid waste to the 5.0 Mustang, Corvette and pretty much any other exotic car on the planet.

Maximum Bob

Actually, in the '82 Camaro it would've been slower than that as the Camaro is about 500 lbs. heavier than that Cobalt. While the LNF's 260 lb. ft. is impressive for a 2.0 liter, it can only make a car fast if said car only weighs about 3,000 lbs. or less. For a performance car you would want a weight-to-torque ratio of no more than about 12-1. The LS-1 F-Bods had a 10-1 ratio and for me that's what made mine such a blast to drive.

Z284ever

It would have weighed more than a Cobalt SS - but not 500 lbs more. That's more loaded with every option, T/A territory.


The point is, a lightweight Camaro, with an LNF variant would be fast and fun - AND be CAFE friendly.

Maximum Bob

But since you already have this package, sans the RWD, in the Cobalt, why do you need the Camaro? And I bet GM would look at it the same way.

94LightningGal

After we are done debating the 2013 pony cars, why don't we move on to the 2030 ones !!!!

Sorry, but this is silly.

FUTURE_OF_GM

AMEN!!!

I will not be an old relic by then (31) but will still insist on a V8. Gas is not GM's problem, so they don't need to worry about how I am going to afford gas.

Hell, by 2013, ethanol will be here and who knows what else.

If there is not a V8 option, then I will be happy with classics and a used daily driver.

FUTURE_OF_GM

I'm not so sure about that... IIRC, Alpha hasn't even "officially" been approved yet.

No V8 option for Alpha = count me out.

guionM

I gotta agree with you.

We should at least wait till the NEXT Mustang & Camaro come out next year before we start jumping ahead to the generation after next and start fantasizing.

Z284ever

You know guys, we've been talking about the 5th gen for almost a decade now. There is a separate forum with 5 sub-forums dedicated to 5th gen discussion on this site. Amongst other things, there is a 5th gen thread going, specifically on the "torque gauge". I mean, please, is that all we can talk about here? I'm burned out already.

This here forum is the "Future Vehicle Discussion" forum.

And these next gen cars will be upon us before we know it.

Z284ever

Trust me future, they're coming - and in a big way.

And there are those within GM who would want at least some version(s) of Alpha to package a V8.

guionM

Is a 6th gen Camaro (although the 5th gen isn't even out yet) the only future car on the horizon?

If we're burned out talking about the 5th gen (and trust me, I'm probally just as burned out as you are reading about the subject... we've SEEN some of the topics there lately?! ), there is plenty of other future vehicles to talk about before we even start to speculate about a car that isn't even in the "what-if" stage at GM yet, and isn't likely to show up for nearly another decade.

Once we get burned out talking about the 6th gen the day the 5th gen comes out, do we start talking about the 7th & 8th gen Camaro???

teal98

If Charlie's correct, they're actively debating the 6th gen inside GM right now. To me, that makes it germane. Especially in the context of CAFE and $4/gallon gasoline. As in, what will GM do about it, and how will it affect the cars we like to drive?

skorpion317

God willing, yes. We can only hope that the Camaro lasts into the 7th and 8th generations.

FUTURE_OF_GM

That's what makes me so passionate about it.

It would be exceedingly easy to put a V8 in Alpha, especially as young as the program is. The Northstar replacement (UV8) which was halted after the CAFE bullsh*t was small enough to fit into the Lambdas (Acadia Denali and upscale Enclave were supposed to feature it at one time) and Epsilon II cars. Heck, even the W-Body was re-engineered for a V8.

I'm very tired of GM's plans for great product being de-railed. I wish for once, they could catch a break and produce an excellent portfolio of cars. Even if Alpha has a small V8 presence (not many untis produced) I'll buy it and be happy.

Of course, if certain factions within GM have their way; Alpha will be limited to Chevrolet (with a de-tuned Camaro) and Cadillac. IMO, Alpha should benefit those divisions as well as Pontiac and maybe even Buick.

Then again, I don't understand why Zeta and Alpha can't co-exist. Just lighten Zeta and tighten up production.