Jeep doesn't use the Hemi name in advertising anymore. They just call it the 5.7L V8. Dodge isn't shy about calling it Hemi though.

 

Precisely...

Chrysler announced recently that the Hemi name would be downplayed on everything but the top of the line motor in an attempt to appear more green.

 

Dodge and Ram still use it. I think it is just Jeep and Chrysler that dropped it. I don't think it is to be "green", whats green about 5.7L V8? I think it is to be more classy. Hemi is seen as a muscle car engine, not a luxury engine.

 

Their reasoning was probably people here the word Hemi and a lot of them mistakenly think of old 1970 gas guzzling tanks. Just look at our President the green's got on to him because he owned a Chrysler 300 Hemi and I think he sold it soon after.

 

What is the difference b/w this 6.4L Hemi and the crate SEFI 6.4L Hemi? The crate SEFI 6.4L Hemi makes 525HP/510 ft-lbs of torque. Do you think Chrysler is underrating this engine now that they are putting it in regular production cars?

 

He had a 2005 Chrysler 300C (Hemi) while in the Senate. Now he has a 2009 Cadillac with a big block V8.

 

Big block? Has engine info been released for the limo?

 

**** that...

 

I couldn't find a 100% solid answer, but I did see a lot of sites list the 454, 496 and 502 V8's

 

How about the 2012 Camaro SS with a more powerful LS3 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112346

 

The information I gave should be public shortly if it already isn't.

No published times yet. The information I gave is advanced info planned for press release.

1) Chrysler was supposed to drop the Hemi name for the 5.7 for 2011.
2) If Chrysler says the Challenger SRT8 will do 0.93gs, it's not just a "claim".
3) I'm pretty intrested in the fuel economy numbers myself. You bring up a good point about Charger's frontal area, but you also missed that new 8 speed automatic transmission Chrysler is putting in the upcoming 5.7 (and likely, 6.4 as well). That alone will bring highway fuel economy up.

How much... especially in conjunction with the engine improvements... is the question.

You say that in just... however, with Chrysler breaking even with a lineup almost entirely of old cars, and most all of those being replaced next quarter (!), and Chrysler bringing out a new midsized and small car in less than a couple of years, it's very easy to imagine Chrysler become the 800 pound profit-generating gorilla in the small room of the Fiat empire.

The V6 versions of the Challenger and Camaro are only about 40 pounds.

The IRON BLOCK SRT8 Challenger is about 200-300 pounds heavier than the aluminum blocked LS3 Camaro SS.

The Iron block doesn't account for the entire 200-300 pound difference (SRT put quite a few very heavy duty performance items that also add weight), but as was already said, if (more likely..when) SRT switches to an aluminum block, should see a instant weight reduction.

 

SRT has been under rating engines since the Neon SRT-4.

I doubt this engine has 525 horsepower. It's tuned for better fuel economy, and I believe it has a different camshaft profile. However, I'm sure a few Mopar parts and the engine is very easily capable of doing Five and a Quarter.

Just my educated guess, but I'd say 490 to 500 horsepower is probably a good ballpark figure.


More like an industrial strength Suburban, modified into an armored personnel carrier, cleverly disguised in Cadillac-style skin.

Take a good look at that car.

There isn't a production Cadillac body panel on it.

If the Camaro SS came as a full sized sedan, then I'd say so.

However, I can't name anything that is on the market..... 4 doors, 5 passengers, 470 horsepower, $40K-ish, non-luxury car.... that competes with this Charger.

 

I'll bet you're right.

Also, the crate hemi doesn't have DoD, does it? It seems that feature costs some revs and some peak power -- at least it does in the LS3/L99.

Replace the camshaft with the crate camshaft and maybe put in low restriction intake and exhaust, and you're probably at 525. But your EPA mileage would be down, and you probably would not pass noise standards.

 

I believe the head lights are from the Escalade. The new Caddy limo is on a GMC Topkick frame. Here is a fun fact I found while looking for the engine size. This is the first presidential limo to not have a model name (DeVille, DTS, etc..) and rightly so since it isn't styled after any one particular Cadillac.



Oh, I thought you were just talking about engine power. Yeah, people/magazines always seem to forget that the Challenger is a whole size larger than the Camaro and Mustang. When it comes to interior space and HP you would have to go to the CTS-V for the next closest competitor.

 

the challenger in any form isnt underrated. we just had a dyno day sunday with an auto R/T, auto SRT-8, and a manual SRT-8 with catback, intake, and handheld tuner. the auto R/T made 303 whp, the auto SRT-8 made 355 hp, and the manual SRT-8 with a little work done made 380 whp.



they are also physically massive cars. the only bigger vehicles I strapped down were the diesel trucks. they damn near filled up the entire dyno bay. I was never really around them until then.

im glad they keep upping the hp in all the hemis though, with more of them on the street it'll be easier for me to persuade my uncle to put one in his '72 cuda