I've been looking for info on the 2009 BOSS, 2010 Mustangs, and have seen several quotes saying Ford is talking about a Twin Turbo ECOBOOST V6 in the Mustang priced nearly Identical to the GT. This will be in addition to the V6 4.0 and the 4.6L GT (or possibly 5.0 GT with 350 hp).

Also the news I have found on the Boss say many different things. Either a 5.0, 5.4 or 5.7L NA motor with between 350 and 390 hp, light weight package with the Shelby GT500 suspension.

The GT is going to the new Hurricane V8 in 2010, with about 350 or possibly more hp.

Nothing offered about pricing other than the Turbo 6. However if I can order the Turbo 6 the same way I can get a plain jane V8 stang, and I can't get the camaro I want, I might have to stay with the blue oval.

Looks like things are going to keep heating up.

 

Wait..."priced identical to the GT". You mean they're going to have a V6 turbo, and a 4.6/5.0 GT model both priced the same?

Or the GT model is going to become more expensive..............

 

Why would you buy a 300-350hp NA 4.6 when you can have a 425hp turbo V6 for the same price?

 

Well it will probably be a 350+hp NA V8 to compete with the Challenger R/T, but I still can't imagine taking it over the TT V6. Even if the power were comparable, I’d take the TT V6 for the mileage, and ability to make serious power gains with cheap & easy mods (check out the Kappa and 335 forums). I’d also dig being able to say that my V6 would smoke this or that V8.

But I have seen a lot of people post that they will take a V8 for the mystique and sound even if it is slower than a TT V6.

 

Makes little sense to me, just drop the V8 then...

 

Ecoboost V6 but won't be over 400hp
4.6 will go away
5.0 will be in the GT (not a huricane/boss) its loosely based on the 4.6/5.4 mod motors.
6.2L Boss is truck only

 

Isn't the Boss 6.2 CI only? At one time I heard AL for cars, but since the Boss is truck only at this point the AL blocks must be out.

Still trying to figure out how they are gonna do the 5.0 without getting all crazy with the stroke. In order to get any meaningful increase in bore on the mod (using the same bore spacing) you'd have to go back to iron (if they go this route, hopefully CGI as well) and siamese the bores.

 

The torque will be about the same as the V8, so likely the benefits will come from the lighter weight and better mileage. Everyone who has posted it has stated a major factor in the decision is the new CAFE standards. The Number being thrown around is 415. While for the 4.0 this would be a big stretch from 200, from the actual 3.5L (all aluminum DOHC) V6 the eco-boost is based on, that engine provides up to 270 hp in NA form, a lot less of a stretch going from 270 to 415 than 200 to 400 even.

It could be producing that power with DI and about 9 to 10 lbs boost. With that kind of pressure, the stock internals will have to be stout, hopefully strong enough to turn up the wick a bit to like 17 lbs.........
In most cases the V6 will be THE engine to get unless you just got to have a V8, or if you are going to have specific mod plans for the 8.

 

The Hurricane is a new motor family. It is a relative to the 4.6/5.4 mod motor from what I've heard, but parts won't interchange. I believe I read somewhere the bore spacing is different.

 

Id take a TT v6 over a v8 even if the v8 has 70~ more hp.

 

Im sorry, what does this have to do with a 5th gen?

A TT V6 425hp Mustang for the same price as a Mustang GT?
Either its gunna come with a milk carton for a seat, or the GT is moving on up the price ladder. I think its neither, the TTV6 will be a mid to high 30's Mustang if it in fact makes 425hp.
If its just a TT 3.5 making 300-320hp, then it will probably be priced with the GT, or the TTV6 takes over the mid to high 20 range while the new GT starts at 29k and goes up, along with power in the over 350hp range.

 

That is the idea.

Ford is and has been looking at the possiblility of dropping the V8 in the GT.

Ford is on a big push on the Turbo V6 engines since the Cafe Change. They were already working on them but with the CAFE passage they can make the same and even more power in the Turbo V6 while gaining more MPG.

Ford has made a few statment of the possiblility of the Turbo V6 in the Mustang and the power is not a issue. I think what they fear are the people who are not open minded to understand this engine is the real deal.

Ford just a few weeks ago had a video that showed the Turbo in the Taurus with FWD and it smoked a STS Caddy and 5 Series BMW with only 350 HP.

I have been saying the 305 HP DI V6 is only the begining. GM I am sure is and has already looked into this. The 3.6 is a great engine and we have not even seen all that is possible.

GM knows Turbo's as already proven with the Ecotec that can produce well over 300 HP with the factory parts with a little more tuneing. The Eco can go even much higher with just a few more changes and go well over 400Hp and higher. Rey's Millens Solstice is over 500 HP and very reliable.

If they can do that with 2.0 liters what do you think they can do with 3.6?

It is only a guess but I would not be suprised to see a Turbo V6 being looked at for the Camaro in the future.

A Turbo to day would make the old GN look like nothing as they are now using much better parts and computer technology not possible in the 80's.

All MFG's will make good use of the DI and Turbo and you can bank on that.

If anyone wants to know what Turbo's can do only have to look back to F1 in the 80's. They were getting so much power that they went back to the V8-V10 non turbo engines to control the HP war. Even the Group B rally cars were bannned due to power reaching near 2000 HP in the 80's.

Where I work we had John Lingenfelter running a Tubo Z24 drag car for us before his death. He was hitting over 2000 HP. He told me there was much more there to get if he could keep the head gasket in place.

Now I know 2000 HP on the street is not going to happen but we can see some very good performance numbers never imagined out of some very small engines in the future. You may have to forgo the V8 rumble but you will not have to miss the 0-60 times.

 

But they hopefully won't do it for several reasons.

Sales being #1
(to a lot of mustang nuts a Mustang GT = a V8

And #2 the CAFE standards don't have to be in place TODAY or even in the 2010-2015 Mustang.

and #3 as the CAFE is across the board, the 50-60,000 GT's they sell a year is a pebble in the pond compared to the ammount of cars/trucks they sell.
Yes the fuel economy should be better across the board, but the GT/Cobra's won't effect that number as much as you think.

Also the 5.0 (not a boss...not a mod) is not the same block as the current motors... so any shortcomings about bore/stroke sizes aren't there.

 

Just to follow up on boomer about the cafe standards. I read that they now have separate categories for car/import car/truck. This would mean that having one or two cars that get in the mid to upper twenties wouldn't be the end of the world especially since they would be low volume premium sedans or a car like the mustang/camaro. Nonetheless automakers will still try to squeeze whatever mpg's they can out of their current fleet.

The real problem for the automakers is that trucks are now a separate category. The shear volume of low mpg pickup trucks cannot be offset by a few crossovers being designated as a trucks even though they ride/drive like cars.

 

cerealy