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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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2010 4Runner 4x2 V6 = 17/23, 4x2 4cyl.= 18/23

1mpg city and 0mpg hwy, what were they thinking offering a 4cyl. instead of a V8 in the 2010's

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/24/2...l-grade-model/

Both wider and longer than the previous 4Runner, the new model offers an optional third-row seat and is available in three trims: the top-of-the-line Limited, SR5 and new Trail grade. Buyers can choose between rear-wheel-drive 4x2, part-time 4x4 and a full-time 4x4 system with a locking center differential. All 4x4 models get a 4.0-liter V6 producing 270 horsepower and 278 lb-ft of torque and achieving 17 city/22 highway mpg. V6-powered models with 4x2 do slightly better with 17 city/23 highway. The new 2.7-liter four-cylinder is only available on the 4x2 SR5 model and produces 157 hp and 178 lb-ft of torque while returning 18 city/23 highway mpg. Considering the marginal difference in fuel economy, we recommend the V6 and question why Toyota is even offering a four-cylinder option besides a lower starting price.
I'll take a 22/32mpg Equinox thank you.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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Lower starting price as the article mentioned, but it also keeps up that golden Toyota image of environmental responsibility even if the numbers suggest otherwise.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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.....that golden Toyota image of environmental responsibility even if the numbers suggest otherwise.
This way going to be my response.

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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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Seriously? Are those numbers right?

I really like the new Equinox, and it has some pretty tough-to-beat numbers, but surely the Toyota will do better than 18/23...

Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Seriously? Are those numbers right?

I really like the new Equinox, and it has some pretty tough-to-beat numbers, but surely the Toyota will do better than 18/23...

Toyota is touting it as "taller, wider and longer" than the previous 4Runner. That obviously means it's no small rig. In fact, I see that it comes with an optional 3rd row.

I'm thinking the 4Runner is now more Trailblazer/Envoy than Equinox, which would explain the mileage numbers. That said, driving it with the 4 cylinder must be maddening.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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How does the 2.7 L make less power then the 2.5 L (179 hp & 172 tq)

Not that it matters anyway with the size of that thing. Can you say Highway death trap.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 03:13 PM
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The current 4runner and equinox are not comparable vehicles... the new 4runner is even bigger so it's even less comparable... so comparing it to the equinox 4-cyl seems kinda silly. Keep the comparisons to the RAV4 4-cyl and while the equinox still puts up better numbers, it's not by nearly as wide of a margin.

With that said, yes, the fact that they bothered to include a weak 4-cyl in such a heavy vehicle and it yields such poor results really makes me question what they were thinking.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 03:19 PM
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Yes, the 4Runner has always been a BOF "true" suv (like the Envoy / TB), not a crossover. If it is adding a 3rd row along with BOF construction, then it isn't really an Equinox competitor. Which of course, as Threxx mentions, makes it a bit odd that they are putting a 4 banger in there. Except for the image thing of course.

Doesn't Toyota already have the Sequoia and Land Cruiser for 3 row BOF suvs?
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Doesn't Toyota already have the Sequoia and Land Cruiser for 3 row BOF suvs?
Unpossible. As we are all conditioned to know, Toyota builds nothing but small hybrids because they are green and that is what the people want!!!!!!!


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A couple of reviews for the 4runner v6 trail edition here:
http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/...ion/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=179847

In summary they both seemed to love it and call it the most capable off-road SUV sold today, both on road and off.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
The current 4runner and equinox are not comparable vehicles... the new 4runner is even bigger so it's even less comparable... so comparing it to the equinox 4-cyl seems kinda silly. Keep the comparisons to the RAV4 4-cyl and while the equinox still puts up better numbers, it's not by nearly as wide of a margin.

With that said, yes, the fact that they bothered to include a weak 4-cyl in such a heavy vehicle and it yields such poor results really makes me question what they were thinking.
If you want a 4cyl, and great economy then you should get a RAV4 and not the 4runner. What is bad is not the final MPG, but the fact that it is almost the same as the 100HP stronger V6.
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How does the 2.7 L make less power then the 2.5 L (179 hp & 172 tq)

Not that it matters anyway with the size of that thing. Can you say Highway death trap.
They're two different engines. The 2.7 is used in their rwd applications along with the Tacoma, and its just not as powerful.

4.56 gears in the 4cyl! No wonder it gets such craptastic mileage.

The Highlander would be more of a competitor to the Equinox. The 4Runner goes up against the Pathfinder, Explorer etc.

I wonder if GM will ever come out with another midsize SUV. Put some effort into it and put the next gen Colorado on the same platform.
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They're two different engines. The 2.7 is used in their rwd applications along with the Tacoma, and its just not as powerful.

4.56 gears in the 4cyl! No wonder it gets such craptastic mileage.

The Highlander would be more of a competitor to the Equinox. The 4Runner goes up against the Pathfinder, Explorer etc.

I wonder if GM will ever come out with another midsize SUV. Put some effort into it and put the next gen Colorado on the same platform.
I doubt the 4 cylinder is capable of making enough torque to run gears signifigantly taller than the 4.56. When was the last time you rode in any 4 cylinder vehicle than ran under 3000rpms while cruising on the highway?
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My 5cyl runs just over 2000rpm at 70mph. Using a gear calc, a 2wd 4cy Colorado with 3.42s runs about 2000rpm at 70mph.

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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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I doubt the 4 cylinder is capable of making enough torque to run gears signifigantly taller than the 4.56. When was the last time you rode in any 4 cylinder vehicle than ran under 3000rpms while cruising on the highway?
My 4 cylinder Colorado doesn't go above 3000 RPM on the interstate unless I'm pushing 90 mph. It has 3.73 gears. My old S10 4 cylinder didn't either, had 3.73 gears too. Both are 5 speed manuals.



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