2002 Camaro Z28 misses CAFE standard by 6.5mpg !!!

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12-19-2007, 03:52 AM

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flowmotion

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So, the headline says "35MPG CAFE".

But thats based on MPG numbers that are higher than whats on the sticker
Plus there's a bonus for E85
Plus Import/Domestic are now in the same pool which means GM can offset pickups with Aveos and other world cars
Plus there's some 'industry average' provision which might work out to be a backdoor
Plus the Transportation Secretary can always waive the rules if the manufacturers can't make them

So it might not be a steep as it sounds.

12-28-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 90rocz

I thought it was more like 17% from 29 to 35 average CAFE?
With the alternate fuels(E85 and such), Hybrids, and (by then)Electric, I don't see why it would be a huge hurdle?..initial investment maybe...

It is a huge hurdle. A quote from Bob Lutz:

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"The public has been led to believe that all this will be free, that there little tweaking we need to do. Tweak the transmissions a little bit, fiddle around with the fuel injection a little bit, and we'll easily get 35 miles per gallon," he says. "Well, I am here to tell you that without throwing thousands of dollars of expensive technology into vehicles we will not get to a 35 mpg fleet average."

From http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/...1229flint.html

In that same article Lutz implies that the Tahoe hybrid adds more than $10,000 to the cost of the truck, but that GM does not mark up the MSRP near that much. And it's still well short of the 35 mpg goal. Figure on similar scenarios across most of GM's product line and you can begin to see the impact these regulations are going to have. As it is GM barely makes any profit on its vehicles (on average) so they definitely cannot afford to absorb these costs across the board.