Robert_Nashville

Those who know me know that there are very few people around who like to go fast (and routinely does on tracks and autocross courses) more than I do.

That said, anyone who drives the way you’ve described yourself is an accident begging for a place to happen; when it does I truly hope you don’t take anyone with you.

“Driving like a maniac” is not something to be proud of or aspire to.

Dest98

Convince us? I was belittled for not seeing it "their" way in the first place, never mind being convinced. This car will cost you $20k over a garden-variety GT when it's all said & done (at least it will around here), and have very little in the way of actual hardware upgrades. No, some of us simply do not "get it" when it comes to these mostly show-not much go packages and that is apparantly quite offensive to "some".

Bob Cosby

I have no issues with most of your post, but this paragraph - and especially the last line in bold - is just plain wrong. Actually, its just plain backwards. While it is certainly possible that Motor Trend got a better time out of a particular new GT than they did out of a particular LS1 Camaro, on average, the LS1 Camaro is at least "marginally quicker" than a 2005-2007 GT. If you raced a few other mags (or perhaps more issues of the same one), you would likely discover this. Better yet, visit a drag strip or three.

Z28Wilson

Just the fact that a new Bullitt Mustang gathers 4 pages of posts on this site tells you no matter how boring you might think the package is, it probably isn't to the general population.

And about the LS1 to '05-'07 GT comparisons, I would have to agree with Bob. Hard to tell what kind of testing conditions, etc. etc. were used with vehicles tested several years apart, even if by the same magazine.

HAZ-Matt

I agree that the new GTs are not quite as quick as an LS1. It could very well be a drivers race on the street though.

Back to the matter at hand... The new Bullitt will sell quickly, and probably appeal to a fairly large audience. In fact, I looked at Bullitts when I was replacing my 2000 Firebird, even though for the most part I wouldn't consider myself a Mustang guy. In the end though I ended up with a car that is probably more rare

bossco

Yeah, when they put a 5.4 three valve in there - it'll be easy.

bossco

Well I prefer aggressive, but I suppose there is a fine line between maniac and aggresive, and I admit, I've been in one accident that was partly my fault in about 20 years of drving (live and learn), otherwise I've never had a problem.

bossco

Seems to me the average LS1 powered car was/is about .5 to .75 seconds quicker than the current GT, which seems to run in the mid 13's well driven (13.54 is about the fastest stock GT time I've read, seen 13.65).

ProudPony

Because we love CARS, as well as land missiles - and we give each one it's props when it deserves them.

Trying to teach others the benefits of the same.
Want Camaro to share in the success by lessons-learned.
Good things can happen when you open your mind to new ideas.

Kept it short, just for you.

G

ProudPony

Holy crap... how do you figure this?!?! $20k?!?!
Even GT500's are only fetching $10-15k over MSRP and it's a far-more collectible car, much less the performance increase.

$10k over a $45k is roughly a 22% premium (current GT500).
A "garden-variety" GT could be $28k, so a $20K premium is nearly 72% of the base price. I doubt seriously if anyone will pay nearly double the MSRP for these. If they do, then they need to be separated from their money for other reasons than the car's desireability.

I have no doubt there will be some dealer rape in the beginning, but it should not be anywhere near what you are thinking - especially when there are GT/CS cars, Shelby GTs, GT500s, Hertz cars, Saleens, Roushes, Steedas, and a slew of other "collectibles" sitting all around it on the dealer's lot.

The landscape is SO much different than it was back in 2001... and the gouging wasn't attrocious even then.
Maybe WERM could discuss his buying situation from 2001 for some perspective?

Bottom-line, I think you are way out there with your concept of what these cars will bring money-wise, and you are missing the intended purpose of the car. Z284ever absolutely NAILED it with his post #35.
There is a passion that some people have to a vehicle (especially one with a history and longevity) that has nothing to do with it's 1/4-mile times.
This is an offering by Ford to those people... plain and simple.

Robert_Nashville

I was only quoting you when I used the word "maniac", after all.

Dest98

If you assume a $5-8k package price for this new Bullitt, add in about that much in "market adjustment", and then factor in the fact that a plain-jane GT can now be had for a couple or three thousand discount under MSRP you're looking at a de-facto price difference that could reach $20k although admittedly this is the high end applicable to those who just have to be the first one on the block to have one.

In the ATL area garden cariety GT's were still getting market adjustments well into MY 06 so while I am being speculative (which I thought would go without saying since we don't even have pricing at this point) I am not just talking out of my ***. You can compare it to the '99 Bullitt all you want but that body style GT saw discounts from day one and was never as hot or desirable a car as the '05 & up.

If this is not the case where you are or elsewhere then I will definately be buying a 1-way plane ticket and taking my business out of state when I buy my next car.

ProudPony

Not sure you could push the price to $8k over a GT from internet speculation.
WERM posted in a previous post that his reference was about $1500 over a loaded GT.
If a loaded GT hits $30k, and we have a $2k premium for the Bullitt package, we're at $32k, and I am going on the high side with the $30k and the $2k because loaded GTs are realy stickering below $30k here, and that is before any discounts or incentives.

I am pretty into the Mustang market - both as a collector and a hobbyist, and it is my OPINION that these cars will not fetch the kind of dealer rape that we have seen on GTOs, GT500s, and such. I am certainly not saying it won't be tried by someone, but most of the cars will go for a few grand over a premium GT.

Case-in-point - the California Special. It's been an SE out for over a year now... limited numbers, limited distribution, yet no dealer rape right now and really none for the last 9 months. The Bullitt should be no different IMO.

HAZ-Matt

But hardly anyone knows or cares about the "California Special." I do agree though that the Bullitt will likely be very affordable for the people that will want to buy it.

ztalon

Can't wait to see how much more my local ford dealer will charge for that. They are already asking $48,000 for a Shelby GT.



That's what the sticker said on this Shelby GT I saw this weekend.

I'm sure the Bullitt will be a cool looking car, but green isn't my color and the price they will ask for that car will make a regular Mustang GT seem like a bargain.

I do like the fact that Ford keeps making special editions of their cars. Too bad they are becoming hard to afford, because of dealership markups.