(1st Auto show report of the season) San Francisco International Auto Show
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I was there on Sunday and the only car that really interest me was the GTO and the TL. I took many pics of that black GTO with the hood and GFX. The tips even states "GM Performance Parts" on it. There is also a badge under the hood like that. The hood appears to cool off the engine bay, rather than going to the intake. Overall this car looked so GOOD. If only it has Nav, HUD, and a sunroof. Seems like only GM had the concept cars.
There were also parts on the wall showing how you could change the interior bezels and exterior grilles of the GTO and GP. They really need to change the grille, rockers, and bumpers on the GP, it looks very much like base level.
And 50yrs of the small block on display showing various mouse motors and a wall with a 57 Shoebox nose sticking out as well as a C6 nose. I saw one of the many Corvettes with a for sale sign on it.
Then came some 8-12 protestors marching around saying how gas guzzlers are unpatriotic. Some reporter came up to me and ask me questions about it.
They added little touches to the Trailblazer!! Gold bowtie on the license panel, aluminun sills with "chevrolet" on it. Chrome trim on the vent tabs, and a new shift ****. About time they did that, little details like this makes the car more upscale looking, instead of this economy look we see on almost every car today, even some that are considered luxury. Too bad they don't have a 3rd row seat on the regular wheelbase, instead they have it on the limo-ized version. Even though Chevy updated it with these touches, it still can't beat the interior of the new Pathfinder. It might be a little weird looking on the outside, but the interior is nice. Looks way better than the Armada.
The Cobalt looks good, way better than the cavalier, dare I say "more japanese-like", but still left some to be desired. The dash was kinda flat and dull, not much action on the dash. The engine cover...whats the pt if its going to look so boring.
Speaking of Japanese, they have the new RL on display was well. I also checked out the Odyssey, much nicer than the Sienna. The sliding doors have roll down windows! I think the Ford F-series had roll down rr door windows as well. Neat stuff that reminds me of the roll downs from half century ago.
Seems like there are less vendors selling stuff than in the 90's and less people on stage representing the products.
A lot of people were around the Scion section. The TC looks good and is very affordable. Not to mention you can customize it easily.
The Malibu Maxx I like very much, with it's rear shelf, DVD and rear seats. The looks aren't too bad. The retractable sunshades in the rear need to be worked on as everyone snaps it back. This car, like the GP just don't look like the top trim level, more of a 3rd highest trim out of 4 trim levels look. The 4th one being the sporty one. Which is what it really needs, it's got cool functionality but...the motor.
GM needs to work more on the interior of their cars, so does Dodge and Ford.
You can clearly see the difference in design and materials. And a lot of cars are having metallic trim bezels and Navigation. If you don't have it, your car is not "hot" or stylish, just regular or economical. Cars are becoming more and more of a "fashion" item than ever before and if you don't have these little gadgets or trims then its not much to brag about.
A few cars that are going to come out were not displayed, like the A4, Z06, and Boxter.
Well, I might be going back this Friday as I didn't have a chance to check out the magnum and where the L was Ferrari? I saw an old F550 up at some "special" exotic car section and didn't even bother to look up close at it and it was boring up there.
There were also parts on the wall showing how you could change the interior bezels and exterior grilles of the GTO and GP. They really need to change the grille, rockers, and bumpers on the GP, it looks very much like base level.
And 50yrs of the small block on display showing various mouse motors and a wall with a 57 Shoebox nose sticking out as well as a C6 nose. I saw one of the many Corvettes with a for sale sign on it.
Then came some 8-12 protestors marching around saying how gas guzzlers are unpatriotic. Some reporter came up to me and ask me questions about it.
They added little touches to the Trailblazer!! Gold bowtie on the license panel, aluminun sills with "chevrolet" on it. Chrome trim on the vent tabs, and a new shift ****. About time they did that, little details like this makes the car more upscale looking, instead of this economy look we see on almost every car today, even some that are considered luxury. Too bad they don't have a 3rd row seat on the regular wheelbase, instead they have it on the limo-ized version. Even though Chevy updated it with these touches, it still can't beat the interior of the new Pathfinder. It might be a little weird looking on the outside, but the interior is nice. Looks way better than the Armada.
The Cobalt looks good, way better than the cavalier, dare I say "more japanese-like", but still left some to be desired. The dash was kinda flat and dull, not much action on the dash. The engine cover...whats the pt if its going to look so boring.
Speaking of Japanese, they have the new RL on display was well. I also checked out the Odyssey, much nicer than the Sienna. The sliding doors have roll down windows! I think the Ford F-series had roll down rr door windows as well. Neat stuff that reminds me of the roll downs from half century ago.
Seems like there are less vendors selling stuff than in the 90's and less people on stage representing the products.
A lot of people were around the Scion section. The TC looks good and is very affordable. Not to mention you can customize it easily.
The Malibu Maxx I like very much, with it's rear shelf, DVD and rear seats. The looks aren't too bad. The retractable sunshades in the rear need to be worked on as everyone snaps it back. This car, like the GP just don't look like the top trim level, more of a 3rd highest trim out of 4 trim levels look. The 4th one being the sporty one. Which is what it really needs, it's got cool functionality but...the motor.
GM needs to work more on the interior of their cars, so does Dodge and Ford.
You can clearly see the difference in design and materials. And a lot of cars are having metallic trim bezels and Navigation. If you don't have it, your car is not "hot" or stylish, just regular or economical. Cars are becoming more and more of a "fashion" item than ever before and if you don't have these little gadgets or trims then its not much to brag about.
A few cars that are going to come out were not displayed, like the A4, Z06, and Boxter.
Well, I might be going back this Friday as I didn't have a chance to check out the magnum and where the L was Ferrari? I saw an old F550 up at some "special" exotic car section and didn't even bother to look up close at it and it was boring up there.
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Originally Posted by guionM
* SOLSTICE: The production Solstice is HOT! It actually looks better than the concept car of a few years ago. The 2 tone interior is gone (at least in the model shown), replaced by a single tone grey interior set off by the chrome around the guages and other sparce metal trim. It's so little that the dark interior sets it off. This is the 1st interior on a GM product that not only feels like quality, it actually looks fantastic as well. None of the overly industrial feel of GM's interiors of recent years. If Bob Lutz thinks he's only going to sell 20,000 of these things per year at $20,000, I think he's going to be in for a serious awakening. I'm predicting GM won't be able to keep these things in stock for at least a year. 
* COBALT: I think the coupe is fantastic (they have last year's SS on display... the one w/o the blower and the pre-production dash), but I've though the sedan left alot to be desired. I still feel that way. The interiors in the Cobalt are light years away from Cavalier in fit, finish, and feel of quality materials. Combined that with a price starting at $13,600, and Cobalt is another homerun in waiting, if the public can get past the looks of the sedan and the Cavalier-clone coupe.
* VELITE: I saw it at Pebble Beach a couple of months ago, and was put off at it's illusion of size. It still looks big. Unless you stand up next to it, and see it's profile, every view at an angle makes the car look bigger than it is. The width and wheelbase of the car is simply incredible for it's length. But it seems that's the dimensions coming down the road, so it will take some getting used to.
* STS: I like it's interior better than the CTS but it's rear seats are probally no bigger. The exterior can pass as a redesigned CTS as well. It's a very very nice car, but to be honest with you, I feel it's over priced, and not removed enough from the lower priced CTS. It may serve as a bridge car between the old Cadillac generation & the new, but with the next CTS getting the "new" Cadillac interior, and possibly a northstar V8 when it's redesigned next year or year after, it's going to be hard to justify a $55,000 Cadillac STS that looks alot like, is nearly the same size as, and is on the same chassis as a $32-40,000 CTS.
* C6 CORVETTE: I've seen plenty in car mags, I've seen a few pass by on the street, it's been about a year since it was introduced, and I still haven't warmed up to the car, and probally never will. I know it's quicker than any factory Corvette to date, it's as fast as stink, it's the best "supercar" performance value on the planet, but I can't say the exterior does a thing for me. The body looks chisled and unfinished, like someone started a work of art (like the C3) but never came back from their lunch break. The tail gives you a feeling that the whole rear end is missing. The greenhouse is too much like the NSX, meaning too low a beltline and too high a roof line. The exposed headlights look like an afterthough. It's headlights seem arranged in no particular order under plastic covers, & it's surround is body colored. Chrysler & Ford did a better job with the Viper & GT. If Corvette is going to have exposed headlights, it should at least look like a finished product.
* LeCrosse: The LeCrosse looks like what the next Ford Taurus would be if Ford was making a next generation instead of replacing it. It looks very good, but from the headlights, the grille, the profile, the roofline, to the rear end, the LeCrosse is a dead ringer for a rolling blue oval design infringement lawsuit. Inside, this is the interior Buick should have been making all along. It's actually tasteful and elegant... and very Ford-like.
* G6: In person, it's a mixed bag. It's overall design is good, but it looks a little dull. It has great proportions, but the rear wheels are so far astern that it's placement looks almost like an afterthought. It's interior is solid and well made, but it seems to have been designed before the guys that created the attractive interiors of the Solstice & LeCrosse came to town. The Grand Am was in GM's top 3 selling cars list for years because it was cheap and looked fast (though outraegous). The G6 has far better fit & finish, but it lacks the personality the Grand Ams had. It's going to be a nice applience, but I don't think it will do anywhere as well in the marketplace as the old Grand Am did.
*TRIVIA TIDBIT*
When you look at the new Chevrolet Uplander, you'll notice that it's devoid of the chrome Chevrolet bar. This hallmark of the Zarella era is being phased out as new Chevy cars are being introduced (I'm sure there can be a price saving argument made against the chrome bars). The bars will continue in the future on most Chevrolet cars, but they won't be chrome.
When you look at the new Chevrolet Uplander, you'll notice that it's devoid of the chrome Chevrolet bar. This hallmark of the Zarella era is being phased out as new Chevy cars are being introduced (I'm sure there can be a price saving argument made against the chrome bars). The bars will continue in the future on most Chevrolet cars, but they won't be chrome.
Looking at my black Maxx, it looks like its wearing a tux. All black, chrome accents...and of course the Bow Tie.
The chrome bar looks good on trucks and SUV's.
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Disagrees with Guion on alot of points, and likes the Chrome bar....
String him up boys.
Psssst, hey genious....
He never said he liked it better, but that it more or less lacks any real character. The Grand Am could be mistaken for no other car. I saw a G6 the other day and had no idea what it was until I was close enough to see the emblem. You aparently didnt like the old design, nor did I, but it did sell alot of cars, so (get this!) not everyone shares your taste in vehicles
String him up boys.
Wow....I really dont know what to say. Somoene who actuay finds the cladded out, and ugly Grand Am a nicer design then the very Euro, very sleek, very modern G6. If anything, it will sell better then the Grand Am. People will walk into dealers only to find the Grand Am replaced by this very sharp looking sedan. No more plastic ribbs, no more ugly hood scoops...just very tight modern design. If the Grand Am has personality....I hope that the G6 lacks all of it.
He never said he liked it better, but that it more or less lacks any real character. The Grand Am could be mistaken for no other car. I saw a G6 the other day and had no idea what it was until I was close enough to see the emblem. You aparently didnt like the old design, nor did I, but it did sell alot of cars, so (get this!) not everyone shares your taste in vehicles
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I hate saying negative things about other people, but jeebus, whats with trying to make someone else look inadequate because they dont share your tastes. I almost wanted to smack you with the back of my hand for the "I used to respect you....." comment. How much of a ***** can you be?
My tastes in vehicles certainly dont coincide with others (Id rather walk than drive a Maxx), but I respect everyone's opinion, and try to see from their perspective before hailing my own superior.
Its fine to disagree, there is going to be plenty of it on such a site as this, but reading your post, you dont just disagree, you actually look down on someone based on their tastes; spouting off your own thoughts, as if the rest of had better follow suit.
Whatever, Ive never really taken a single post of your seriously, and hope Guion does the same.
Call someone out for false facts, but respectfully disagree with someones opinion, especially someone that does so much to contribute the forum that we all visit with such a regularity.
My tastes in vehicles certainly dont coincide with others (Id rather walk than drive a Maxx), but I respect everyone's opinion, and try to see from their perspective before hailing my own superior.
Its fine to disagree, there is going to be plenty of it on such a site as this, but reading your post, you dont just disagree, you actually look down on someone based on their tastes; spouting off your own thoughts, as if the rest of had better follow suit.
Whatever, Ive never really taken a single post of your seriously, and hope Guion does the same.
Call someone out for false facts, but respectfully disagree with someones opinion, especially someone that does so much to contribute the forum that we all visit with such a regularity.
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How can compared sales numbers of a car just out, and car that has been on lots for years? I dont confuse a Aztek either...but I guess because it has "character". And if I can be anti-GM for a second....plastic ribs and hood scoops didnt sell that car...rebates did. We will have to see once the G6 starts to make its way around. I have a feeling that people wont be forced into a G6 with rebates, but that people will want to drive a G6 because of its design and quality.
As for being a "*****" for saying I lost respect, its just a harmless joke then anything else. I know you cant show sarcasim or other emotions, but whatever...if you took it that way, which Im sure everyone else will, dont get your panties in a bunch. The C6 is, to me, perfect. And from a guy like Peteres, whoms last design turned into the next Edsel and probably came real close to losing his job, the C6 is the pefect example of redemption.
Also, is it not dissrespectful for basicly spitting in RP's eye and telling him, in so many words, to shove his "have faith" with threads like "I am disgusted" or other? Are they not just expressing there feelings? I dont see you in there, giving them the moral speach.
I know Guy is one of the life lines of this board, but that still doesnt mean I cant come out against his views. As for rather walking then driving a Maxx...thats fine. I wanted a 5dr hatch, and the Toyota Vibe wasnt gunna cut it, and the Mazda6 wagon looks horrible. Not many people like the Maxx, or the Malibu itself...yet its sales are up the past two months to over 140% from last year....I guess not everyone has your taste in vehicles either.
As for being a "*****" for saying I lost respect, its just a harmless joke then anything else. I know you cant show sarcasim or other emotions, but whatever...if you took it that way, which Im sure everyone else will, dont get your panties in a bunch. The C6 is, to me, perfect. And from a guy like Peteres, whoms last design turned into the next Edsel and probably came real close to losing his job, the C6 is the pefect example of redemption.
Also, is it not dissrespectful for basicly spitting in RP's eye and telling him, in so many words, to shove his "have faith" with threads like "I am disgusted" or other? Are they not just expressing there feelings? I dont see you in there, giving them the moral speach.
I know Guy is one of the life lines of this board, but that still doesnt mean I cant come out against his views. As for rather walking then driving a Maxx...thats fine. I wanted a 5dr hatch, and the Toyota Vibe wasnt gunna cut it, and the Mazda6 wagon looks horrible. Not many people like the Maxx, or the Malibu itself...yet its sales are up the past two months to over 140% from last year....I guess not everyone has your taste in vehicles either.
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Ahh...I fail to see the Cavi-Cobalt connection...but your opinion.
It should be illegal to get one for less than $15K
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going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. I have driven both cars, and the STS POURS with luxury and quality, soemthing the CTS doesnt do so well. Some say that the STS is too far out of the A&S design, some like yourself say its too close. IMO, its perfect. It has enough design change to make it a different car, but keeping the look. You know its a Caddy.
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I used to respect you.....But I can no longer have respect for someone who does not find the C6 appealing. Sorry. C6 is the sharpest looking Vette ever. I also dont think the C3 is a work of art. After walking around and sitting in one, its the first Vette that has ever really given off such a vibe that it makes my hair stand on end when I see it. I guess thats your opinion...but my opinion is that if you cant find the C6 attractive, you dont have a pulse.
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Its LaCrosse....and Ford Taurus? Interior tasteful and elegant like a Ford? What was the last Ford you got into? Get inside an 03 Taurus, and its faaaaaaaaaaar from elegant and tasteful, unless you enjoy crappy plastics and horrible build quality. Event he 500's interior, though very nice, doesnt compare to the smooth flowing design of the LaCrosse. Sorry...no dice. When I look at my Dad's 03 Taurus, and then I look at a LaCrosse, I see ZERO design traits. Flowing lines and smooth shapes with chrome accents compared to the Tauri's dull and boring exterior with perhaps a pin stripe.
(Not extreme, but just fun stuff) The Taurus looks equally as dull as the LaCrosse IMHO.
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Ignorant would mean I talk out of my rear because I dont own them....but my family has owned five.
Yes, five Bob....you may ask yourself, "why do you keep buying them"...well, I dont...my parents do. The first 2 were bought because at the time, they were great cars. The middle 2 were fleet cars, and the last one my dad got because...well...I dont know. He got a 2003 Taurus new for 12k...that could be a big reason why.
I dont see any comparision betweent he Taurus and the Lacrosse. Perhaps the last generation of Tauri, but why compared it to that? Just because it has 4 seperate headlights?
No way does the Taurus feel as nice as the LaCrosse. The cheap HVAC controls, the crappy plastics, and long history of recalls all leave a bad taste in a Taurus's owners mouth.
Why not compare the LaCrosse to Jag? See, thats how I know that people already put the Buick at a negitive disposition. If they compare it to Taurus or Kia, then I know they already hate it. If they compare it to Jag, it usualy tends to have a very positive review.
Of course, this is your opinion...
Yes, five Bob....you may ask yourself, "why do you keep buying them"...well, I dont...my parents do. The first 2 were bought because at the time, they were great cars. The middle 2 were fleet cars, and the last one my dad got because...well...I dont know. He got a 2003 Taurus new for 12k...that could be a big reason why.
I dont see any comparision betweent he Taurus and the Lacrosse. Perhaps the last generation of Tauri, but why compared it to that? Just because it has 4 seperate headlights?
No way does the Taurus feel as nice as the LaCrosse. The cheap HVAC controls, the crappy plastics, and long history of recalls all leave a bad taste in a Taurus's owners mouth.
Why not compare the LaCrosse to Jag? See, thats how I know that people already put the Buick at a negitive disposition. If they compare it to Taurus or Kia, then I know they already hate it. If they compare it to Jag, it usualy tends to have a very positive review.
Of course, this is your opinion...
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Guy are you going to be there any time over the weekend?
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Hey Guy Did you see Scott? Man I hope you if you did you wore earplugs.
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Agreed. If they can nail the handling, and power is enough to tickle your fancy...the Solstice will be flying off show rooms.
Ahh...I fail to see the Cavi-Cobalt connection...but your opinion.
Yeah, Velite does look like a very big car, and its sheetmetal deffinatly augments that. But I think that a car with sleeker pannels and a fast back like roof would make the car look smaller.
going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. I have driven both cars, and the STS POURS with luxury and quality, soemthing the CTS doesnt do so well. Some say that the STS is too far out of the A&S design, some like yourself say its too close. IMO, its perfect. It has enough design change to make it a different car, but keeping the look. You know its a Caddy.
I used to respect you.....But I can no longer have respect for someone who does not find the C6 appealing. Sorry. C6 is the sharpest looking Vette ever. I also dont think the C3 is a work of art. After walking around and sitting in one, its the first Vette that has ever really given off such a vibe that it makes my hair stand on end when I see it. I guess thats your opinion...but my opinion is that if you cant find the C6 attractive, you dont have a pulse.
Its LaCrosse....and Ford Taurus? Interior tasteful and elegant like a Ford? What was the last Ford you got into? Get inside an 03 Taurus, and its faaaaaaaaaaar from elegant and tasteful, unless you enjoy crappy plastics and horrible build quality. Event he 500's interior, though very nice, doesnt compare to the smooth flowing design of the LaCrosse. Sorry...no dice. When I look at my Dad's 03 Taurus, and then I look at a LaCrosse, I see ZERO design traits. Flowing lines and smooth shapes with chrome accents compared to the Tauri's dull and boring exterior with perhaps a pin stripe.
Wow....I really dont know what to say. Somoene who actuay finds the cladded out, and ugly Grand Am a nicer design then the very Euro, very sleek, very modern G6. If anything, it will sell better then the Grand Am. People will walk into dealers only to find the Grand Am replaced by this very sharp looking sedan. No more plastic ribbs, no more ugly hood scoops...just very tight modern design. If the Grand Am has personality....I hope that the G6 lacks all of it.
I was always liked the chrome bar, even on my Malibu. I think they could have redone the front of the Malibu better, and kept the chrome bar.
Looking at my black Maxx, it looks like its wearing a tux. All black, chrome accents...and of course the Bow Tie.
The chrome bar looks good on trucks and SUV's.
Ahh...I fail to see the Cavi-Cobalt connection...but your opinion.
Yeah, Velite does look like a very big car, and its sheetmetal deffinatly augments that. But I think that a car with sleeker pannels and a fast back like roof would make the car look smaller.
going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you here. I have driven both cars, and the STS POURS with luxury and quality, soemthing the CTS doesnt do so well. Some say that the STS is too far out of the A&S design, some like yourself say its too close. IMO, its perfect. It has enough design change to make it a different car, but keeping the look. You know its a Caddy.
I used to respect you.....But I can no longer have respect for someone who does not find the C6 appealing. Sorry. C6 is the sharpest looking Vette ever. I also dont think the C3 is a work of art. After walking around and sitting in one, its the first Vette that has ever really given off such a vibe that it makes my hair stand on end when I see it. I guess thats your opinion...but my opinion is that if you cant find the C6 attractive, you dont have a pulse.
Its LaCrosse....and Ford Taurus? Interior tasteful and elegant like a Ford? What was the last Ford you got into? Get inside an 03 Taurus, and its faaaaaaaaaaar from elegant and tasteful, unless you enjoy crappy plastics and horrible build quality. Event he 500's interior, though very nice, doesnt compare to the smooth flowing design of the LaCrosse. Sorry...no dice. When I look at my Dad's 03 Taurus, and then I look at a LaCrosse, I see ZERO design traits. Flowing lines and smooth shapes with chrome accents compared to the Tauri's dull and boring exterior with perhaps a pin stripe.
Wow....I really dont know what to say. Somoene who actuay finds the cladded out, and ugly Grand Am a nicer design then the very Euro, very sleek, very modern G6. If anything, it will sell better then the Grand Am. People will walk into dealers only to find the Grand Am replaced by this very sharp looking sedan. No more plastic ribbs, no more ugly hood scoops...just very tight modern design. If the Grand Am has personality....I hope that the G6 lacks all of it.
I was always liked the chrome bar, even on my Malibu. I think they could have redone the front of the Malibu better, and kept the chrome bar.
Looking at my black Maxx, it looks like its wearing a tux. All black, chrome accents...and of course the Bow Tie.
The chrome bar looks good on trucks and SUV's.
Cadillac is going to have strong fans. After where Caddy has been, it the turnaround of automotive history for them to be where they are today. My point is that after seeing a $55,000 STS and that $70,000 Suburban Cadillac had on display ( I sh*t you not...a $70,000 Escalade....from the factory!!!) I'm begining to think Cadillac is starting to go way overboard on price.
The C6 is also going to have their strong fans. It's the best Corvette ever built, and the best performance sports car on the planet. I love the GTO including it's looks, and alot of people don't. The new Corvette is the same way, perhaps in reverse: I think it's a fantastic car, but I think the C5 looks way better.
But you are going to have an uphill battle with me on the Taurus designed LeCrosse. Headlights? Check. 6 window greenhouse with rounded rear side windows? Check. Rounded bodywork? Check. Oval grille? Check. Flat woodgrain instrament panel that could have come from Ford's design studio? Check. External independent comfirmation, just in case I've lost it? "Take off those bifocals, gaze upon the C-pillars and taillights, and you'll probably mistake the LaCrosse for a Ford Taurus." (Car & Driver Magazine).....check.
As for the G6, as I said in my post, it's a better car all round than the Grand Am. What I also said was that it doesn't have personality. It's a good looking car (as I said), but even though the Grand Am had what many may say is bad personality, it at least wasn't bland.
Sort of like the former crusty but entertaining co worker that few could stand but everyone now misses since they were replaced by a politically correct professional.
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Cadillac is going to have strong fans. After where Caddy has been, it the turnaround of automotive history for them to be where they are today. My point is that after seeing a $55,000 CTS and that $70,000 Suburban Cadillac had on display ( I sh*t you not...a $70,000 Escalade....from the factory!!!) I'm begining to think Cadillac is starting to go way overboard on price.
Originally Posted by guionM
The C6 is also going to have their strong fans. It's the best Corvette ever built, and the best performance sports car on the planet. I love the GTO including it's looks, and alot of people don't. The new Corvette is the same way, perhaps in reverse: I think it's a fantastic car, but I think the C5 looks way better.
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But you are going to have an uphill battle with me on the Taurus designed LeCrosse. Headlights? Check. 6 window greenhouse with rounded rear side windows? Check. Rounded bodywork? Check. Oval grille? Check. Flat woodgrain instrament panel that could have come from Ford's design studio? Check. External independent comfirmation, just in case I've lost it? "Take off those bifocals, gaze upon the C-pillars and taillights, and you'll probably mistake the LaCrosse for a Ford Taurus.".....check.
The W-body (...er, Mid-Lux) Buick is a crazy jigsaw puzzle patchwork of cribbed ideas. It should do well in China.
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Re: (1st Auto show report of the season) San Francisco International Auto Show
Originally Posted by guionM
Called him & went there on Saturday (while they were still setting up) to explicitly see him. Lived through it.
Oh well!!!! at least the Copper made it through right?
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Re: (1st Auto show report of the season) San Francisco International Auto Show
Latest updates on introductions (all confirmed by at least 2 sources):
Ford Mustang convertible
Restyled Chevrolet Impala
Restyled Chevrolet Monte Carlo
You guys in Detroit will be getting the new Ford Fairlane. There's speculation that it's an SUV or Crossover, but apparently it's going to be a D2C based RWD sedan. We'll see.
It also seems that there will be some type of RWD sedan from Buick as well.
I REALLY miss living in LA. With automotive design & fabrication studios, concept and custom car manufacturers, and the southern section of Interstate 405, not only could I find out what's headed to the auto show circuit, at times I could see them on the street as well.
Ford Mustang convertible
Restyled Chevrolet Impala
Restyled Chevrolet Monte Carlo
You guys in Detroit will be getting the new Ford Fairlane. There's speculation that it's an SUV or Crossover, but apparently it's going to be a D2C based RWD sedan. We'll see.
It also seems that there will be some type of RWD sedan from Buick as well.
I REALLY miss living in LA. With automotive design & fabrication studios, concept and custom car manufacturers, and the southern section of Interstate 405, not only could I find out what's headed to the auto show circuit, at times I could see them on the street as well.
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Re: (1st Auto show report of the season) San Francisco International Auto Show
I dont see why so many are surprised to see Cadillac returning to its luxury identity / history that its originally known for, especially with sales rebounding lately.
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