180 m.p.g.
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180 m.p.g.
What is significant here is the reaction of the manufacturers 
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/02/bu...er=rssuserland
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/02/bu...er=rssuserland
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many auto manufactures could derasticly increase fuel ecconomy, but they dont have the want or need... the brakes are a brilliant idea to bring addition energy in. withing 10 years I wouldnt be supprised if trucks were getting 30+ mpg and most cars are 70+... but no auto manufacture wants to jump into it, they want to do it slowly so the idea's sell for years.
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Originally Posted by NewbieWar
many auto manufactures could derasticly increase fuel ecconomy, but they dont have the want or need... the brakes are a brilliant idea to bring addition energy in. withing 10 years I wouldnt be supprised if trucks were getting 30+ mpg and most cars are 70+... but no auto manufacture wants to jump into it, they want to do it slowly so the idea's sell for years.
it's called delayed obsolescence i believe
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Maybe I read the article wrong, but putting more batteries in your Hybrid, and charging them overnight does not = 180MPG overall. To say that ignores all the energy you pumped into the car overnight. 
On a side note, it's still interesting that even Hybrids have people modifying them for "higher performance."
On a side note, it's still interesting that even Hybrids have people modifying them for "higher performance."
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Originally Posted by WERM
Maybe I read the article wrong, but putting more batteries in your Hybrid, and charging them overnight does not = 180MPG overall. To say that ignores all the energy you pumped into the car overnight.
On a side note, it's still interesting that even Hybrids have people modifying them for "higher performance."
On a side note, it's still interesting that even Hybrids have people modifying them for "higher performance."
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heh, plug in diesel electric hybrids could save the world (well if they could meet particulate emissions standards in the US of A), but until they have a 10 dollar gas tax per gallon, people will scoff at the idea and dream the silly dream about hydrogen powered cars.
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Originally Posted by bossco
heh, plug in diesel electric hybrids could save the world (well if they could meet particulate emissions standards in the US of A), but until they have a 10 dollar gas tax per gallon, people will scoff at the idea and dream the silly dream about hydrogen powered cars.
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I dunno about you guys, but I can't wait for this to hit the market 
TOKYO -- Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's new battery can recharge 80% of a battery's energy capacity in only one minute, approximately 60 times faster than the typical lithium-ion batteries in wide use today, and combines this fast recharge time with performance-boosting improvements in energy density.
The new battery fuses Toshiba's latest advances in nano-material technology for the electric devices sector with cumulative know-how in manufacturing lithium-ion battery cells. A breakthrough technology applied to the negative electrode uses new nano-particles to prevent organic liquid electrolytes from reducing during battery recharging. The nano-particles quickly absorb and store vast amount of lithium ions, without causing any deterioration in the electrode.
The excellent recharging characteristics of new battery are not its only performance advantages. The battery has a long life cycle, losing only 1% of capacity after 1,000 cycles of discharging and recharging, and can operate at very low temperatures. At minus 40 degrees centigrade, the battery can discharge 80% of its capacity, against 100% in an ambient temperature of 25 degree centigrade).
Toshiba will bring the new rechargeable battery to commercial products in 2006. Initial applications will be in the automotive and industrial sectors, where the slim, small-sized battery will deliver large amounts of energy while requiring only a minute to recharge. For example, the battery's advantages in size, weight and safety highly suit it for a role as an alternative power source for hybrid electric vehicles.
Toshiba expects that the high energy density and excellent recharge performance of the new battery will assure its successful application as a new energy solution in many areas of society.
The new battery fuses Toshiba's latest advances in nano-material technology for the electric devices sector with cumulative know-how in manufacturing lithium-ion battery cells. A breakthrough technology applied to the negative electrode uses new nano-particles to prevent organic liquid electrolytes from reducing during battery recharging. The nano-particles quickly absorb and store vast amount of lithium ions, without causing any deterioration in the electrode.
The excellent recharging characteristics of new battery are not its only performance advantages. The battery has a long life cycle, losing only 1% of capacity after 1,000 cycles of discharging and recharging, and can operate at very low temperatures. At minus 40 degrees centigrade, the battery can discharge 80% of its capacity, against 100% in an ambient temperature of 25 degree centigrade).
Toshiba will bring the new rechargeable battery to commercial products in 2006. Initial applications will be in the automotive and industrial sectors, where the slim, small-sized battery will deliver large amounts of energy while requiring only a minute to recharge. For example, the battery's advantages in size, weight and safety highly suit it for a role as an alternative power source for hybrid electric vehicles.
Toshiba expects that the high energy density and excellent recharge performance of the new battery will assure its successful application as a new energy solution in many areas of society.
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Originally Posted by unvc92camarors
yea, like computers, they sell the performance slowly (getting a little faster each year)
it's called delayed obsolescence i believe
it's called delayed obsolescence i believe
If any one of the manufacturers could bring out a full size truck right now that racked up 50mpg highway they would do it in a heartbeat.
Why? Because they could sell them at a stupendous premium and make boatloads of money, that's why.
That's the same nonsense as the 100mpg carburator crap that used to fly around....
See, the speech was that "they" (some evil group that no one can really put their fingers on...) had the technology for years for a 100mpg carburator, but held it back because "they" were in cahoots with the oil companies.
NEWSFLASH: There isn't enough energy in a gallon of gas to propel a small car at any reasonable speed for 100 miles, period.
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I believe it was Jolhn Lingenfelter(but don't quote me on that) that had a gadget or something that he claimed would make a family stationwagon get aprox 60 mpg and run a 100mph...I believe it was in Popular Mechanics....I'll have to try to dig it up.
In the same issue there was a German engineer that developed a 2-cylinder, with a special cooling system that also got exceptional milage at highway speeds and stayed really cool.
That was the last that was EVER heard about either of those ideas...
In the same issue there was a German engineer that developed a 2-cylinder, with a special cooling system that also got exceptional milage at highway speeds and stayed really cool.
That was the last that was EVER heard about either of those ideas...
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Originally Posted by PacerX
Utter B.S.
If any one of the manufacturers could bring out a full size truck right now that racked up 50mpg highway they would do it in a heartbeat.
Why? Because they could sell them at a stupendous premium and make boatloads of money, that's why.
That's the same nonsense as the 100mpg carburator crap that used to fly around....
See, the speech was that "they" (some evil group that no one can really put their fingers on...) had the technology for years for a 100mpg carburator, but held it back because "they" were in cahoots with the oil companies.
NEWSFLASH: There isn't enough energy in a gallon of gas to propel a small car at any reasonable speed for 100 miles, period.
If any one of the manufacturers could bring out a full size truck right now that racked up 50mpg highway they would do it in a heartbeat.
Why? Because they could sell them at a stupendous premium and make boatloads of money, that's why.
That's the same nonsense as the 100mpg carburator crap that used to fly around....
See, the speech was that "they" (some evil group that no one can really put their fingers on...) had the technology for years for a 100mpg carburator, but held it back because "they" were in cahoots with the oil companies.
NEWSFLASH: There isn't enough energy in a gallon of gas to propel a small car at any reasonable speed for 100 miles, period.
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"luxurary" ??? LMAO....
Thank you Z28x and PacerX for responding to this drivel. I started to and just couldn't bring myself to type up a response.
60mpg out of a 4000 lb station wagon? I doubt that's physically possible either. I doubt there's enough energy in a gallon of gas to do that with nothing but a fuel system modification. Maybe if you put a super tall rear gear in the car it would do it, but you'd have no power for pulling even slight hills.
Post it up if you find it though.
Thank you Z28x and PacerX for responding to this drivel. I started to and just couldn't bring myself to type up a response.
60mpg out of a 4000 lb station wagon? I doubt that's physically possible either. I doubt there's enough energy in a gallon of gas to do that with nothing but a fuel system modification. Maybe if you put a super tall rear gear in the car it would do it, but you'd have no power for pulling even slight hills.
Post it up if you find it though.
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if a human being w/ usually about .5-4 hp at max, can propel themselves and a bicycle (assuming a 250 lb total) to 20 mph even higher on flat land... then a similarly they can design cars that can be more efficiant... big rigs take 80,000lbs accross the country at 6 mpg... then something that is 8,000lbs should be able to get 60mpg... but for some reason its not built,
I know that w/ a sterling engine powered by the exhuast and the coolant of an engine one could generate an extra 50+ hp out of nothing
I know that w/ a sterling engine powered by the exhuast and the coolant of an engine one could generate an extra 50+ hp out of nothing
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I believe in the Lithium Ion batteries. I have been saying for years, that when these are quicker to charge, and cheaper to make, that's when we will start to see things really happen.
It looks like Toshiba has hit that mark. If you can get a 80% charge in 1 minute with no battery memory, you are golden. And an simple battery charger could be hooked to brakes to charge the battery every time you brake.
You're not going to race them, but they will get you around, for good distances.
It looks like Toshiba has hit that mark. If you can get a 80% charge in 1 minute with no battery memory, you are golden. And an simple battery charger could be hooked to brakes to charge the battery every time you brake.
You're not going to race them, but they will get you around, for good distances.
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One more thing regarding charging cars with electricity. How much coal does an electric company burn, or waste does a nuke plant create to charge cars all night long? Probably way more pollution than gasoline emmissions.