Mov'it Brake Review:
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Mov'it Brake Review:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jonaa/MovitBrakes.html
Still just a rough draft but good enough for now. Hopefully I'll have more pics fairly soon.
For those of you wondering about the yellow calipers, no, they weren't my first choice. With the availability problems of the Monoblocks recently, Steve D said some colors might be more available than others. I said any color was fine, I just want my car to stop. This is what I ended up with. I must say though, the look is growing on me.
Some observations after having them on the car for just over a week:
Noticably higher torque than my stock brakes with race pads. I expected that.
The pedal is much more firm. And it's always the same! I expected that.
As soon as you touch the pedal, you are braking...but just a little bit. As you increase pressure, the braking power increases very gradually and linearly. I didn't really expect this. They make my stock brakes feel like an on/off switch by comparison. I never thought of the stock brakes that way before...until I felt these. These are so much easier to modulate the exact amount of braking you want. That should make for some really smoothe braking once I get used to them.
The stock Porsche pads never squeak on the street. They will squeak when hot (track hot) at low speeds. Mostly noticable when pulling into the pits after a track session. Once they cool they're quiet again. They dust WAY less than Performance friction pads did with the stock brakes. And what dust they do make wipes off easily. And it looks like the pads will last a very long time.
On the track, they are like a bottomless well filled with endless stopping power. I was braking later than I ever had before Friday (at Pacific Raceways) and was still overbraking almost every corner most of the day. I would find myself coasting or even getting back on the gas for a while before turn-in. This while not even pressing the pedal all the way down! It's going to take a while to learn these new brakes and get the most from them.
I only got into the ABS twice Friday. Once approaching Turn 2--the track was wet and it showed. And once approaching 3a when I braked really late and hard (the track seemed to be drier here as I heard the tires complain). My stock brakes with race pads could never do that as they were always fading by then after being cooked approaching T2. The ABS works just fine. More importantly, it was needed because my brakes had the torque to overcome the tires' grip.
Even with street pads, I got exactly zero fade. The pedal stayed firm and exactly the same, lap after lap. I see no need for a race pad yet.
Most importantly, the brakes look like new after a day at the track (after wiping off the dust). The pads have such little wear that I can't even measure it. The rotors still look like new, except now they're polished. No changing colors, no cracking, no "spontaneous oxidation," etc.... The pedal is still firm. No squeaks. They actually worked better on the drive home than they did on the drive there because the pads had been fully bedded.
The price of admission was steep, but I don't think I'll ever regret it.
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96 Z28 M6
13.59 @ 102.96
MODS
Still just a rough draft but good enough for now. Hopefully I'll have more pics fairly soon.
For those of you wondering about the yellow calipers, no, they weren't my first choice. With the availability problems of the Monoblocks recently, Steve D said some colors might be more available than others. I said any color was fine, I just want my car to stop. This is what I ended up with. I must say though, the look is growing on me.
Some observations after having them on the car for just over a week:
Noticably higher torque than my stock brakes with race pads. I expected that.
The pedal is much more firm. And it's always the same! I expected that.
As soon as you touch the pedal, you are braking...but just a little bit. As you increase pressure, the braking power increases very gradually and linearly. I didn't really expect this. They make my stock brakes feel like an on/off switch by comparison. I never thought of the stock brakes that way before...until I felt these. These are so much easier to modulate the exact amount of braking you want. That should make for some really smoothe braking once I get used to them.
The stock Porsche pads never squeak on the street. They will squeak when hot (track hot) at low speeds. Mostly noticable when pulling into the pits after a track session. Once they cool they're quiet again. They dust WAY less than Performance friction pads did with the stock brakes. And what dust they do make wipes off easily. And it looks like the pads will last a very long time.
On the track, they are like a bottomless well filled with endless stopping power. I was braking later than I ever had before Friday (at Pacific Raceways) and was still overbraking almost every corner most of the day. I would find myself coasting or even getting back on the gas for a while before turn-in. This while not even pressing the pedal all the way down! It's going to take a while to learn these new brakes and get the most from them.
I only got into the ABS twice Friday. Once approaching Turn 2--the track was wet and it showed. And once approaching 3a when I braked really late and hard (the track seemed to be drier here as I heard the tires complain). My stock brakes with race pads could never do that as they were always fading by then after being cooked approaching T2. The ABS works just fine. More importantly, it was needed because my brakes had the torque to overcome the tires' grip.
Even with street pads, I got exactly zero fade. The pedal stayed firm and exactly the same, lap after lap. I see no need for a race pad yet.
Most importantly, the brakes look like new after a day at the track (after wiping off the dust). The pads have such little wear that I can't even measure it. The rotors still look like new, except now they're polished. No changing colors, no cracking, no "spontaneous oxidation," etc.... The pedal is still firm. No squeaks. They actually worked better on the drive home than they did on the drive there because the pads had been fully bedded.
The price of admission was steep, but I don't think I'll ever regret it.
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Sounds great....but I don't think I am ready to shell out that kind of money. 
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Good review with good info!
BTW- I normally don't like flashy colors, but I dig the yellow calipers on your blue car.
-Chris
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BTW- I normally don't like flashy colors, but I dig the yellow calipers on your blue car.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ken S:
nice car!
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nice car!
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No kidding! I love that color- along with the ZR1's and all the other goodies makes that car awesome.
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How much for replacement rotors? Seems that they take porsche rotors and re-drill them,
so you need to source your rotors thru Movit.
Why didn't they come out with a two piece rotor and separate hat, would of been a more flexible option.
Steve
so you need to source your rotors thru Movit.
Why didn't they come out with a two piece rotor and separate hat, would of been a more flexible option.
Steve
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IROC, you can get them here:
http://www.ultimategarage.com/bigbrake1.html
Steve,
The older system with the two piece Big Red calipers does come with two piece rotors although they are slightly smaller at 322X32mm. Replacements can be bolted onto your hats...but they still need to be "trued."
I said before that if getting replacement rotors from Porsche you'd need to have them re-drilled by a machine shop. I should have been more specific by saying that's what I would do now (no decent place to work and no decent tools). I would think anybody with a good work bench and some decent tools could do the job himself rather easily. It ain't rocket science. You just don't want to mess up. They're $295 from Mov'it (drilled to fit). I don't know how much you could beat that price by buying elsewhere. Probably a fair amount I'd guess.
The point is I don't think I'll have to worry about it for a very long time....
http://www.ultimategarage.com/bigbrake1.html
Steve,
The older system with the two piece Big Red calipers does come with two piece rotors although they are slightly smaller at 322X32mm. Replacements can be bolted onto your hats...but they still need to be "trued."
I said before that if getting replacement rotors from Porsche you'd need to have them re-drilled by a machine shop. I should have been more specific by saying that's what I would do now (no decent place to work and no decent tools). I would think anybody with a good work bench and some decent tools could do the job himself rather easily. It ain't rocket science. You just don't want to mess up. They're $295 from Mov'it (drilled to fit). I don't know how much you could beat that price by buying elsewhere. Probably a fair amount I'd guess.
The point is I don't think I'll have to worry about it for a very long time....
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Jon A - Hopefully I didn't burst your bubble but the same kit can be had for about $1100 less than what you paid for at Motiv.
http://prospeedmotorsport.com/index.htm
-B
http://prospeedmotorsport.com/index.htm
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I knew he was going to come out with a kit for less money. I didn't know he was going to do the Monoblock kit and I didn't know he was going to beat the price by THAT much. Wow!
About the only real difference I see between the kits is the Mov'it brackets are steel, his are aluminum. Whether the added stiffness of steel is really needed or not I don't know.
Oh well, those are the brakes I wanted and I wanted them now. The Mov'it kit was available, his wasn't. That was the best I could do at the time.
Of course I think he owes me some commission for using my pics!
About the only real difference I see between the kits is the Mov'it brackets are steel, his are aluminum. Whether the added stiffness of steel is really needed or not I don't know.
Oh well, those are the brakes I wanted and I wanted them now. The Mov'it kit was available, his wasn't. That was the best I could do at the time.
Of course I think he owes me some commission for using my pics!
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