I dont know if anybody remembers But I found this race prepped Camaro Mustang Challenge car(nearly spec class)For Sale,1986 Fomula TA Multi color paint,Carbed,Eldelbrock intake,Griffin Radiator,K&N,power pulleys,Kirky seat,Hurst shift,Welded cage,1LE SUS/BRAKES.Multi race winner $5,500
Anybody know of this cars potential,or handling,Info in general?
I'm going to take a look,I would like some input,so I know,before I see it and implulse takes over.And find out bad stuff after.
This car is spec to the group I intend on competeing in after I achieve my License, CMC Ch.1
T.

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I did some looking,Pretty sure my v6 would whip that car.Weak hp, 15.6@89mph or sumthin 1/4 mi.

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I would assume this is a 5.0 5 spd. Formula if it's a road course car. If so, I don't think it would be that slow, especially not with an intake, carburetor, and header change. I'd bet something more like a 14.5 in the 1/4 with traction.

 

I dont think the rules allow headers stock/spec(Even if the car had'em you'd get 40hp from'em?).Edebrock manis were stock,seen it listed at a site. The car in stock state is still weak hp(like v6 now)160hp range,pretty good low end torque 230@2800rmp.on the 86 formula.
My v6,theyre capable of 15.9,200hp&234 torque 0-60 7.2 Stock.My car(not stock anymore) is alot faster than when I first started modding.
I still think I'd whip it.Havent got my 1/4 times but soon will.(Sac.speedway)
Lets say for gp it can do a 14.2(I dont think so) What It'd beat my v6 by 6to8 tenths.
Oh Yeah thanks for responding I think you can tell I dont want it,I want newer,5.7,m6 you know.None around go figure,maybe not worth sellin."Sell the old 86 formula too slow"j/k


Q:Anybody know what year Camaro stock puts around 230rwhp? Year limit 1992

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I would assume this car has a race tuned suspension, so I bet it handles really good.

Any Firebird or Camaro equipped with a L98 motor, which is a small block 350, will put out 230hp stock.

Kurt

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#7,

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. You want to race in CMC right? Then why does it matter if your competition car is slower than your street V6 car? It's the rules that limit the potential of your track car. If you want it to be faster, race it in another class.

I don't think any TPI F body will put out 230 rwhp. A LT1 car can, but it's after '92. Heck, just race in NASA American Iron and get a LT1 car.

 

94 no not misunderstanding,maybe I dont know as much yet.I was only using my 6 as a comparison to how weak the older cars were. And b/c I want to be as close to the limit as possible,not way under as in the formulas case.
Allowed is the 93-97s also,but weight is added for over 250hp,and restrictors can be used.But the 92 Z is at the 230hp/300torq. range.
Maybe your right,AI could be a little easier,but still 9.5lbs. to 1 hp limit. A camaro at 3300+ could be at 350hp+-
I wish there was more time between classroom and track time and car checks to speak w/ the competetors more.But its allways pressed time.

 

Actually when the '87 L98 came out in the fbody it was rated at 230 hp, and by the end of the 3rd gen in 1992 it was rated at 245 hp, SAE net flywheel, not rear wheel.

 

Yeh, but #7 was looking for 230 rwhp. A stock TPI car won't do that.

 

I'd suggest making friends with some of the racers by going to a race as a spectator or a corner worker. Volunteer to help them out during a race, and you'll learn a lot about what it takes to be competitive. Take your time and make sure what you want to do before buying a car. It's a big investment and if you don't choose right you won't make your money back.

 

My bad, wasn't paying enough attention. Agreed then, no L98 car is going to do 230rwhp.

 

Well it doesnt specificly say Rear wheel. Sorry I was assuming b/c there is a yearly dynometer test.This measures rear wheel right? Dyno Jet Brand dynometer is used.and the specs list 230,w/ a dyno I assumed "rear".
Is there a way of knowing crank/flywheel from a rear reading? Or do you think theyre measuring at the crank w/ this Jet brand?

 

Yes, a DynoJet measures rear wheel HP. There's no absolute formula that will translate that to flywheel HP, but if you look at enough similar cars you can develop a rule of thumb.

 

IC they must use a formula.b/c even for those 92 and below years" like you guys are saying" wouldnt even come close,to 230 rear,but crank yes Right?as for the 93 and aboves limited to 250hp,thats about the flywheel/crank hp stock starting around 93 and later. So I'll have to ask someone about this next time.
Way I'm understanding is my best bet would be 92-94,Maybe a 93(4thgen)or 4th thats close to 250hp(limit hp for 93up) To stay right at the nuetral point(hp wise) no BS ,weigh add,or restrictors,or lack of pwr.(too old).
Thankx 94,& mr. arizona T.

 

For automatics you add 18-20% to the "at the wheels" reading to get your flywheel ratings For manuals its more like 15% since there's less driveline loss. It does vary based on engine and tranny, rear end, etc., but that is a pretty good rule of thumb to use.

A '93 was 275 crank HP and will typically dyno 235-245 rear wheel hp, so the 250 rear wheel limit is about right.