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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 02:04 PM
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Advanced Tech's, A total Loss Now. Need Help

To Moderator: Please allow this post a chance here, we have already tried everything maybe I can get more leads here.


Symptoms:

- runs extremely rich, Long Term Block Learn at 108 on both sides. Have a BLM split in short term readings with Right side runner richer.

- runs leaner as more throttle is applied, blm’s shoot to 135 or higher. Idle fuel pressure set at 43.5 psi with vaccum line disconnected. Runs at 37 psi once engine is on and shoots to about 40-42 psi at any WOT event. Car is equipped with 30# SVO injectors and is programmed for them by Alvin.

- Low vaccum readings, 8-9 inches at 950 rpm idle. Has a rough idle, and seems to miss under load conditions. Had to crack open the TB blades a little, even after drilling the IAC hole a little. IAC counts drop to 0, once the engine sets idle. It used to stall completely (shut off) after WOT run, with the TB blades completely shut.

- No top-end power. Best ¼ mile trap of 102mph, with a 2.4 60 foot. Timed at 14.xx seconds. Low low end power, but that may be the effect of low 3.23 stock ratio, and 2800 stall converter. Will hardly spin the tires, even at WOT standing start.

- Heats up, although it never goes to redline. Tempature increases as much as 20 degrees anytime during WOT, and slowly drops back to normal temps. Highway temp is more than 220 degrees. Fixed blown head gasket when I first got it. No oil in water, no loss of coolant, no smoke.

Other than these symptoms, the car runs very well, acceleration is smooth all the way up to red line, no hesitations. Has excellent part throttle drive-ability.

Problems I think I have noticed:

- At times, fuel pressure bleeds out anywhere between 1 to 5 hours. With key forward (engine off), we checked for the correct 12V source at each injector harness. At first, I did this by probing the pink wire and used the frame as a source to ground. But, I then proceeded to check for ground at the injector harness and there was. This means that these injectors are open with key on (engine off) all the time. Is this suppose to be OK?

- #1 header primary does not get as hot as the others. I tested by spraying water at it.

Things we have done:
Confirmed dot to dot alignment at timing chain.
Compared cam lobe orientation to stock cam.
Replaced lifters with stock GM lifters
Replaced Optispark with new unit.
Replaced stock coils
Bypassed MSD amplifier
Replaced Opti Spark wire harness
Replaced MAP sensor
Replaced TPS sensor
Replaced IAC sensor
Replaced IAT sensor
Converted to head 3-wire O'2 sensors
Checked for exhaust leaks
Checked for vaccum leaks
Replaced Knock sensor
Replaced ignition plugs
Checked ignition wires
Checked fuel rails
Checked and Replace fuel pressure regulator
Replaced fuel filter

Mods Include: 93 Pontiac TA: Ported Heads, xe230/236 cam, full exhaust, 2800 stall.

Thanks
Old Mar 26, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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Man, that sounds IDENTICAL to Atljars problems. Are you POSITIVE the cam is installed properly? His was a tooth off and had ALL of the problems you describe. What I would definitely recommend is to degree the cam. Even if it is installed dot to dot, it could be massively retarded. You could probably get away running a few degrees advanced with no adverse affects, but retarding it will move the torque peak too high and kill low end power. I forget exactly who it was, but his GM847 cam was 7 degrees retarded when the dots were lined up correctly. That would have made the car a dog. Good luck with it. I know your first instinct will be to dismiss this, since you have already verified it, and probably multiple times, but unless you have VERIFIED it with a degree wheel, its all just guessing.
Old Mar 26, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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power and run

Make damn sure you have the valves set right,and there is no vacuum leaks,before going back into engine!!
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 07:10 AM
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Wow, that sounds familiar. The extremely rich (108) at idle leaning out as more throttle is applied, rough idle, and low vacuum I had. While I don't think initially you're in my boat, have you done a compression and leakdown test?? Compression loss ended up being my problem. Just some food for thought.
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 07:26 AM
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The engine is too new, but I will be doing a compression test soon. That is one of the last things I could do, but never considered it, given the engine is new.
Old Mar 29, 2004 | 07:33 AM
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Gotcha, I did'nt know the engine was new. Stranger things have happened though. Hopefully it won't be in your case. Good luck getting it sorted.
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