Which cam will run best with stock intake
Which cam will run best with stock intake
I ran a search but came up with nothing.
But i am looking for a cam that will run best with stock intake and heads(88 iroc 350 TPI A4). I've tried looking through this forum but when it comes to cams and lift i get confused.
I do appreciate any input, later!
But i am looking for a cam that will run best with stock intake and heads(88 iroc 350 TPI A4). I've tried looking through this forum but when it comes to cams and lift i get confused.
I do appreciate any input, later!
Hey Josh,
As you're starting to discover, picking the right cam is as much art as science - I've been a car nut since I was about four, & I'm still feeling pretty tentative about picking the cam for my GTA.
Selecting the correct cam involves knowing most of the important info about the car, like:
As a rule, it's been found that cams with a tighter LSA have a "choppier" idle, & make more absolute power, but are generally less streetable. If your car is computer-controlled, it's probably a good idea to have an LSA in the 112˚ or 114˚ range, although some are using lower, like 110˚. (The tighter the LSA, the tougher it'll usually be to tune.)
Finally, here is a real quick, brief table that may give you a bit of an idea of how these factors work together. Or, you might find (like I have) that this table is actually a bit better. Don't know how much experience/knowledge you have but magazines like CHP can explain the basics (also has contact info for some of the cam companies).
Hope this helps a bit. The best suggestion I can give you is to take a piece of paper, make sure you have answers for all of the questions I've listed above, & then call three or four camshaft manufacturers & see what they have to say - they probably won't all give you the exact same specs, but I'd bet money that they'll all be within a fairly narrow range. You can also browse forums like this one, thirdgen.org, or CarDomain for cars that are similar to yours, & see what cams they're running - lots of them will be willing to tell you how well they like the cam they're using (you can see in this thread that I've done just that).
Final word - Do NOT automatically assume that "bigger is better"! When it comes to cams, the reverse is usually true, & the most-common mistake that people make when choosing a cam is to pick one that's too big for what they're really trying to do. When you've narrowed it down to 2 or 3 cam profiles, do yourself a favor & throw out the biggest one. As counter-intuitive as it seems, you'll be happier with the better idle & driveability of the smaller cam (speaking from experience as the former owner of an over-cammed daily-driver truck...
).
Good luck!
As you're starting to discover, picking the right cam is as much art as science - I've been a car nut since I was about four, & I'm still feeling pretty tentative about picking the cam for my GTA.
Selecting the correct cam involves knowing most of the important info about the car, like:
* What "deficiency" (for lack of a better term) is the cam supposed to address? Better highway (mid-range) acceleration, (low-end) torque for towing, maybe just a tough "choppy" sound at idle?
* What powertrain does the car have? TPI, TBI, or carb? 305, 350, or V6? Stick tranny or auto? If auto, do you have an aftermarket stall converter, & if so, what's the stall speed? What rear gears do you have, 2.73, 3.08, 3.23 & 3.27 are the most-common, but 3.42s, 3.45s or 3.73s are also possible from the factory. What kind of exhaust does the car have? Any power-altering aftermarket upgrades made to the car will need to be considered also.
* Other miscellaneous stuff comes into play as well - Is this car your daily driver, or a weekend toy? Is the car computer controlled (& if so, are you willing/able to get custom tuning)? What does the car weigh? Do you have emissions testing where you live? What RPM range do you want the powerband in? Will the car have a nitrous kit? Supercharger or turbocharger?
As you can probably see by now, once a car departs from stock, picking the "right" cam becomes a one-off, custom proposition - but there are a few basic guidelines that can get you in the ballpark, & you can narrow it down from there:* What powertrain does the car have? TPI, TBI, or carb? 305, 350, or V6? Stick tranny or auto? If auto, do you have an aftermarket stall converter, & if so, what's the stall speed? What rear gears do you have, 2.73, 3.08, 3.23 & 3.27 are the most-common, but 3.42s, 3.45s or 3.73s are also possible from the factory. What kind of exhaust does the car have? Any power-altering aftermarket upgrades made to the car will need to be considered also.
* Other miscellaneous stuff comes into play as well - Is this car your daily driver, or a weekend toy? Is the car computer controlled (& if so, are you willing/able to get custom tuning)? What does the car weigh? Do you have emissions testing where you live? What RPM range do you want the powerband in? Will the car have a nitrous kit? Supercharger or turbocharger?
Duration is the period of time, measured in degrees of crankshaft rotation, that a valve is open. Duration (at .050" lifter rise) is the deciding factor to what the engine's basic RPM range will be. Lower duration cams produce the power in the lower RPM range. Larger duration cams operate at higher RPM, but you will lose bottom end power to gain top end power as the duration is increased. (For each ten degree change in the duration at .050", the power band moves up or down in RPM range by approximately 500 RPM.)
Lobe separation angle (aka "LSA") is the distance (in camshaft degrees) that the intake and exhaust lobe centerlines (for a given cylinder) are spread apart. Lobe separation is a physical characteristic of the camshaft and cannot be changed without regrinding the lobes.
This separation determines where peak torque will occur within the engine's power range. Tight lobe separations (such as 106˚) cause the peak torque to build early in basic RPM range of the cam. The torque will be concentrated, build quickly and peak out. Broader lobe separations (such as 112˚) allow the torque to be spread over a broader portion of the basic RPM range and shows better power through the upper RPM.
This separation determines where peak torque will occur within the engine's power range. Tight lobe separations (such as 106˚) cause the peak torque to build early in basic RPM range of the cam. The torque will be concentrated, build quickly and peak out. Broader lobe separations (such as 112˚) allow the torque to be spread over a broader portion of the basic RPM range and shows better power through the upper RPM.
Finally, here is a real quick, brief table that may give you a bit of an idea of how these factors work together. Or, you might find (like I have) that this table is actually a bit better. Don't know how much experience/knowledge you have but magazines like CHP can explain the basics (also has contact info for some of the cam companies).
Hope this helps a bit. The best suggestion I can give you is to take a piece of paper, make sure you have answers for all of the questions I've listed above, & then call three or four camshaft manufacturers & see what they have to say - they probably won't all give you the exact same specs, but I'd bet money that they'll all be within a fairly narrow range. You can also browse forums like this one, thirdgen.org, or CarDomain for cars that are similar to yours, & see what cams they're running - lots of them will be willing to tell you how well they like the cam they're using (you can see in this thread that I've done just that).
Final word - Do NOT automatically assume that "bigger is better"! When it comes to cams, the reverse is usually true, & the most-common mistake that people make when choosing a cam is to pick one that's too big for what they're really trying to do. When you've narrowed it down to 2 or 3 cam profiles, do yourself a favor & throw out the biggest one. As counter-intuitive as it seems, you'll be happier with the better idle & driveability of the smaller cam (speaking from experience as the former owner of an over-cammed daily-driver truck...
).Good luck!
Last edited by V8Rumble; May 25, 2006 at 09:45 AM.
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Companies like Comp Cams and Crane has specific cams for 350 TPI cars...ive seen them in the catalogs. If your looking to keep the stock intake I would look into those cams...I remember seeing one that didnt even require computer tuning/chip burned.
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Originally Posted by V8Rumble
Final word - Do NOT automatically assume that "bigger is better"! When it comes to cams, the reverse is usually true, & the most-common mistake that people make when choosing a cam is to pick one that's too big for what they're really trying to do. When you've narrowed it down to 2 or 3 cam profiles, do yourself a favor & throw out the biggest one. As counter-intuitive as it seems, you'll be happier with the better idle & driveability of the smaller cam (speaking from experience as the former owner of an over-cammed daily-driver truck...
).
)..415/.430....207/213..... 117 LSA
Looks like just about ANY cam is going to be more powerful. Don't go overboard and you'll be fine. The best book I've read about cams is John Lingenfelter's How to modify Small block engines book. Look for it on Ebay.
Last edited by Gord's Green Z28; May 25, 2006 at 06:23 PM.
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Originally Posted by Gord's Green Z28
Good advice there. Here is the stock cam profile for 1988 L98 Camaro/Trans Ams.
.415/.430....207/213..... 117 LSA
Looks like just about ANY cam is going to be more powerful. Don't go overboard and you'll be fine. The best book I've read about cams is John Lingenfelter's How to modify Small block engines book. Look for it on Ebay.
.415/.430....207/213..... 117 LSA
Looks like just about ANY cam is going to be more powerful. Don't go overboard and you'll be fine. The best book I've read about cams is John Lingenfelter's How to modify Small block engines book. Look for it on Ebay.
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Originally Posted by CamaroJosh
I called comp cams with my info and they suggested a 206/210 .450/.480 and 101LSA
That doesn't seem much different than stock
That doesn't seem much different than stock
I've put that cam in 2 different cars,
really steps up the bottom end torque and the power band kicks in about 700rpm earlier,
this is a good for tpi cause its a bottom end intake not a top end,
I put it in a 91 SD car and the tune was way, way off, gonna take me awhile to get it right, still hasen't passed emmisons test where I live,
usually maf is alot more forgiving with cams, the other motor I put it in will be up and running in the next 4 weeks, just waiting for a couple parts I got coming
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Originally Posted by CamaroJosh
I called comp cams with my info and they suggested a 206/210 .450/.480 and 101LSA
That doesn't seem much different than stock
That doesn't seem much different than stock
Let me put it this way - even a 106 LSA is going to have a really "choppy" idle & be difficult to tune w/ TPI, I can't even imagine what a 101 LSA would be like!
(A 110 LSA can work, but it'll be a bit harder to tune.)I forgot to mention in my earlier "book"
that I've gotten bad info before when calling a cam company, so it's always a good idea to get several suggestions.Again, good luck.
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
Yea,im sure he meant 110 lol. It seems like a narrow LSA but the cam isnt that big either. Throw some 1.6 RR's on it and some 3.55's in it and let the honduh spanking commense!
Re: Which cam will run best with stock intake
May be hard to believe but I had a custom engle cam 215/215 .512/.512 with 1.6 comp magnum roller tipped rockers on a 114 LSA in my 91 and it ran 102 with edelbrock shorty's and 3.73 gears. It sure dosen't look like the right cam on paper but it's hard to argue with the trap! Also that was on the stock speed density tune with 48 psi fuel pressure. By the way that cam and those rockers are on a shelf in my garage if you are interested. Good sleeper cam, Idled like stock at 700 RPM.
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