Zero to 60 in......
 

4.6 seconds. thats official.

:)

a teaser from the CZ28 Summit provided by Al Oppenheiser.

In the auto right?

He didnt say, but he said that they hit it this morning, the 19th, around 7am at Milford. Would have been a good question to ask him though when we were all sitting around.

Anything else??????? :)
Cara and I could not attend :(

Sounds great. How about the 1/4??
We are never happy... :D

That's for the automatic V8, the manual does 0 - 60 in 4.9.

4.9 depends whos behind the wheel

Yep, so it could actually be slower...

The auto is that much quicker? Why? How?

I don't like the idea of a significantly faster auto. Enthusiasts that prefer the manual transmission like the idea that they are responsible for how fast the car accelerates. If their best can be beaten by your average driver in an automatic, that would really turn them away from the stick. And in some people's cases, a stick is the only thing they want to drive.

--- Assuming good health --- when you are 19 years old your physiological
reaction time is about 200-400milliseconds (0.400 seconds). This time increases throughout your life so at about age 60 your time ends up around 800mS.

The engine computer talks to the power train computer (and other on board computers), continuously sharing information. Calculations and decisions are made in nanoseconds.

For discussion, let's assume a 25Mhz processor clock speed. This translates into a calculation occurring once every 40 nanoseconds (0.000000040 seconds). The processor can make 10,000,000 calculations during the 400mS reaction time for a 19 year old! You can't think and react faster than sand! (a.k.a. silicon)

While the processor(s) are constantly optimizing performance, your 0-60 times are highly influenced by fuel combustion, transmission clutch slippage and road traction.

I would suggest that a truly level playing field is man against man both driving manual transmission setups, removing a bit of the technology and evaluating skill.

Awesome reply!! But I still love banging gears and laying nice twin stripes with shift break in the middle of them, even if it means my ultimate time is slower than an automatic!! Unless your racing for cash....ita all about the drive for me!!

Hrmm...

As I'm always looking for comparisons....

4.6-4.9 second range in the 0-60 (notables at bottom)....

2007 Aston Martin Vanquish S, $255,000 - 4.6
2007 Audi RS4, $66,000 - 4.6
2007 Cadillac CTS-V, $51,395 - 4.6
2007 Cadillac XLR-V, $98,300 - 4.6
2009 Ferrari Dino, $140,000 - 4.6
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible, $45,755 - 4.6
2007 Lotus Elise, $43,990 - 4.6
2007 Mercedes CL600, $144,975 - 4.6
2008 Mercedes CL63 AMG, $130,000 - 4.6
2007 Pontiac GTO, $33,000 - 4.6
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S, $87,100 - 4.6
2007 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe (Manual), $165,750 - 4.7
2007 Bentley Continental GT, $155,990 - 4.7
2007 BMW Alpina B7, $115,695 - 4.7
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet, $98,600 - 4.7
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet, $92,800 - 4.7
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage, $113,200 - 4.8
2008 Audi RS4 Cabriolet, $81,900 - 4.8
2007 Bentley Continental GTC, $200,000 - 4.8
2008 BMW 135i, $32,000 - 4.8
2007 Masarati Coupe, $92,227 - 4.8
2007 Masarati GranSport Coupe, $103,522 - 4.8
2007 Mercedes ML63 AMG, $86,275 - 4.8
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera, $72,400 - 4.8
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4, $77,100 - 4.8
2007 Porsche 911 Targa 4S, $96,695 - 4.8
2007 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti, $33,495 - 4.8
2007 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Limited, $34,120 - 4.8
2009 Volkswagen Passat Coupe R36, $40,000 - 4.8
2007 Aston Martin DB9 Volante, $179,250 - 4.9
2008 Aston Martin Rapide, $200,000 - 4.9
2008 Aston Martin V8 Vantage-Roadster, $124,600 - 4.9
2007 Audi A8 L W12 Quattro, $119,350 - 4.9
2007 Audi S8, $92,000 - 4.9
2009 Audi TT-RS, $60,000 - 4.9
2007 Bentley Continental Flying Spur, $164,990 - 4.9
2009 BMW 135i Convertible, $35,000 - 4.9
2007 BMW 335i Coupe, $40,600 - 4.9
2010 BMW Z2 M Roadster, $39,000 - 4.9
2009 BMW Z6 4.4, $75,000 - 4.9
2007 Chrysler 300C SRT-8, $41,095 - 4.9
2008 Dodge Challenger R/T, $30,000 - 4.9
2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe, $35,000 - 4.9
2009 Jaguar XF, $67,000 - 4.9
2007 Jaguar XKR Coupe, $86,500 - 4.9
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8, $40,800 - 4.9
2007 Masarati GranSport MC Victory, $103,522 - 4.9
2007 Maybach 57 S, $375,000 - 4.9
2007 Mercedes R63 AMG, $88,175 - 4.9
2007 Mercedes SLK55 AMG, $63,275 - 4.9
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet, $82,600 - 4.9
2008 Porsche Cayenne Turbo, $93,700 - 4.9
2007 Ford Mustang GT, $25,860 - 5.1
2008 Nissan Nismo 350Z, $37,000 - 5.4
2009 Hyundai Genesis*estimated*, $28,900 - 5.5
2008 Porsche Boxster, $47,500 - 5.6

VERY WELL PUT!!!!! :bow:

It's a rare day here when someone actually looks beyond 0-60 & 1/4 mile times and actually points out what is really important in a car.... the overall experience & the fun of driving it.

Any car manufacturer can make a quick car. Simply put in more horsepower and more torque. But to have a car that's simply fun to drive takes more effort in more areas, and all areas working together to make magic.

I think the Camaro is going to be an absolute winner as a fun to drive vehicle. Not because of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of the V8 SS, but the rave reviews of the feel, handling, and the good performance of the V6.

Looking forward to test driving the Camaro.

Not for very much longer. ;)

Really? cuase everywhere I'm looking has the new rumour as this...

the manual transmission ECU is doing the same thing for it as the automatic ECU.

Its the transmission gearing and shifting from the A6 that is making all the difference.

I question the overall legitimacy and accuracy of a list that includes cars which do not exist (the Dino), cars whose names are misspelled (Maserati), and cars whose existence and specifications are based entirely upon unofficially leaked information (Z2).

The V6 coupe? Or the V8 sedan?

Actually, Guy, I'm pretty sure that the 2007 Mustang GT will continue being exactly that fast. :p

I got them from Performance car news Honestly it was the first site i got on google, so i can't verify its complete and utter accuracy.. but for the fact that it has almost 400 cars all in one spot.. got to give them props, show me another site that has this info gathered and I'll use it..
It was the V8 sedan

the v8 sedan is going to be like $8,000 more. i think that's the v6 coupe.

'10 Mustang will be a carry over with the powertrain, '11 Mustang will have the 5.0 (400/375) as long as Ford can keep the weight in the 3600 lbs area it will be a pretty tight race.

I was reading some Ford literature on the new F-150 and they talked about using higher stength steel to reduce the truck's weight by 100 pounds, If Ford could do the same with the '10+ Mustang, that'd offset the weight of the DOHC/M6 combo by a bit. In any event we will see come November for the '10 Mustang weight wise

Another interesting thing they did was reduce the number of strutural components under the dash to improve NVH as well as using quiet steel. Wonder if they will do the same with the Mustang?

So lets break this down:

The auto is bolted to an engine with 22 less hp and 13 less lb-ft of torque
The auto is over 50 lbs heavier than the manual
The auto is 3 tenths quicker to 60

Of course an automatic is going to shift faster than a manual, but all things considered, they really dropped the ball on getting the M6 to where it should be. Period.

I gotta tell ya, this is the biggest letdown since getting weight numbers. I hope they have some tuning left to do on that.

I don't get it - didn't we already know this number from before? 4.9 0-60 would put it on track for low 13's as has been discussed for awhile, hasn't it?

the auto has very good gearing and quicker shifts, the manual has horrible gearing and is probably harder to launch. For almost any car with 300 hp+, 60mph is a relatively low speed. it's barely midway through second for most cars. this isnt the 80's anymore with 100-150 hp engines.

60 mph is too old of a bench mark. With all these modern cars being as powerfull and close 0-60, they should be looking at a new number, say, 0-75/80/100.

Its funny how all you Ricky Racer types that gotta have a manual now think its no big deal that the auto is significantly faster.

No, I think that price is right for the V8 sedan. The V6 coupe should come in around 21k.

L99 (auto) 13.3 @ 106 (I think that was the number)
LS3 (manual) 13.4 @ 108

Al said those numbers could change before the car was released and was sure that the 0-60 for the LS3 would be lower.

They are still sweating the details with this car and are still trying to make it better and faster.

Fbodfather said last night at the summit, forget what you know about weight, forget what you know about wheel hop...there isn't any, this car will blow you away...oh and something about keeping the faith;)

Oh and the BASE V6...14.7 in the 1/4 :D

The v8 sedan is said to be starting at ~$36,000-$38,000 and the v6 coupe @ $25,000-$26,000. the 4 cyl coupe is ~$19,000-$20,000.

the g8 has wheel hop above stock level HP. We'll see if they improve from it since it's essentially the same.

He's said all that stuff before too, but the car is what it is whether we forget about that stuff or have all the faith in the world. it's not going to change anything.

The Camaro is an upgrade of the Zeta chassis, it is not the exact same as the G8 chassis

Heh, Ricky Racer :D Blowing through two DOA's and finding out it was 1800+ a piece to fix them convinced me to be a Ricky Racer.

That is an awesome explination. Thanks. I did think in the past that automatics were consistant, but manuals were slightly quicker... Not sure I have that right. I perfer manual sports cars because I think they are more fun fun, but was really caught off gaurd. Also that as it is a less powerful car by 22hp to boot. Thank you for taking the time. :)

Were these the numbers released at the summit? Again, disappointing, and on par with a 10 year old LS1. I really told myself I would not get upset about the weight and that I would be assured when some actual numbers came out, but now that they're out... :no:

at 104mph though??? We at our table think that may have been an out loud typo.

If the six speed V8 is really trapping at 108, give it to me, and Ill get a 13.1x out of it, easy. And I'm not even that good.

After Al announced 0-60 in 4.6 at the Summit the other night, I walked over and asked him specifically if that time was for the stick or the auto, since I was also under the impression that the auto was supposed to be faster.
Al replied replied that the 4.6 time was indeed, for the stick and that he was the one who actually wrung that time out of the car.
To confirm, I then said, "So the manual is quicker?" and his response was, "Yeah, by a couple of ticks."

... and the manual is actually now very easy to launch with the new Launch Control feature that's available on the SS. Al explained during the info session yesterday that in the right setting, just get the revs up and dump the clutch... and the car takes off with optimal grip. "It will make for very consistent times", was how Al described it.

He also added that they had just found there was actually a little bit of brake drag from the Brembos, and that he would be looking forward to a little better time once that gets ironed out.

Best regardSS,

Elie

Now this is good news, thank you for the correction.

Very interesting info. I thought the 6m would be quicker with the advertised extra power and less weight all other things being equal.
Launch control sounds very nice.

If they're getting mid-high 4s for the 0-60 shouldn't that be good enough to crack 12s in the quarter? I mean that is something like around a half second faster to 60 than the LS1 fourthgens, yet no quicker in the quarter? I'm thinking their quarter times are conservative...

You're right!

I've said that stuff before........


......................and ..........uhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........


.......lemme go look.....................


Yup! I was right!!!


...and the Camaro is not 'essentially the same' as the G8 -- (unless we're talking generalities such as 'rear wheel drive' and "independent rear suspension"......