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Z/28. Which formula best applies?
11-06-2007, 09:02 PM
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Chevy isn't going to compete with itself. That means one of two things:
1.) Unleash the beast all over the streets. Completely dominate the pony car market by offering a plethora of engine/trim options. Up to and including the new LS9 when in comes out.
If this option is chosen, the Corvette will be discontinued. Even if they don't offer the LS9, the Corvette's sales will lag as those looking for their high powered-high buck kick look to other cars when the average Joe with $45,000 can beat a two year old Corvette. Although the Corvette is the pinnacle of "American Icon", it will be lost if the Z/28 package is all yall think it's going to be.
2.) Offer package options that just PwNaGe!11!1!!1!!!11! the Stang, but will leave the high end performance ring nearly untouched. The only possible breach of this is a very limited edition Camaro that's a GT500 killer.
I think this will be the route taken. Chevy doesn't want to compete with itself, and despite the "at the end of it's line" look, the Corvette is still the heart's desire of many (Including me) Americans.
The Z/28 package will probably be the 6.2l SC engine, with minor weight reduction thrown in. This will be the GT500 killer, and thus the limited edition Camaro.
The SS will be the standard top of the line Camaro. It'll be a 6.2l V8 engine, and have more than enough power to compete with the GT Stang (What a joke), and will be in direct competition with the Challenger.
I have no idea what the base line package will be called, or what all engines will be offered in the base coupe.
I'm praying they'll have a SS 'vert. And I don't usually pray.
- Rich
1.) Unleash the beast all over the streets. Completely dominate the pony car market by offering a plethora of engine/trim options. Up to and including the new LS9 when in comes out.
If this option is chosen, the Corvette will be discontinued. Even if they don't offer the LS9, the Corvette's sales will lag as those looking for their high powered-high buck kick look to other cars when the average Joe with $45,000 can beat a two year old Corvette. Although the Corvette is the pinnacle of "American Icon", it will be lost if the Z/28 package is all yall think it's going to be.
2.) Offer package options that just PwNaGe!11!1!!1!!!11! the Stang, but will leave the high end performance ring nearly untouched. The only possible breach of this is a very limited edition Camaro that's a GT500 killer.
I think this will be the route taken. Chevy doesn't want to compete with itself, and despite the "at the end of it's line" look, the Corvette is still the heart's desire of many (Including me) Americans.
The Z/28 package will probably be the 6.2l SC engine, with minor weight reduction thrown in. This will be the GT500 killer, and thus the limited edition Camaro.
The SS will be the standard top of the line Camaro. It'll be a 6.2l V8 engine, and have more than enough power to compete with the GT Stang (What a joke), and will be in direct competition with the Challenger.
I have no idea what the base line package will be called, or what all engines will be offered in the base coupe.
I'm praying they'll have a SS 'vert. And I don't usually pray.
- Rich
11-06-2007, 09:29 PM
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I love posting this up 
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Autoblog: Is there concern about stepping on the Corvette, power-wise?
Ed Peper: No. Because again, the capabilities of a Corvette are world class. I mean, we are talking about a vehicle that competes in the American Le Mans Series with Aston Martins and all –no, there is no concern because what the Camaro is going to be is what it has always been, which is a really great looking vehicle that will have a muscle car or muscle car set of derivatives with it, but that will also have a fuel efficient version. It's a vehicle that you really, really can drive every single day -- a four seater and so forth, while Corvette is in a class all by itself. It's one of our ultimate brands at the company that just continues to do well. We try to keep the production, you know, in line and not build too many so it keeps a very strong demand. The Z06s are some of the fastest turning vehicles that we have.
Ed Peper: No. Because again, the capabilities of a Corvette are world class. I mean, we are talking about a vehicle that competes in the American Le Mans Series with Aston Martins and all –no, there is no concern because what the Camaro is going to be is what it has always been, which is a really great looking vehicle that will have a muscle car or muscle car set of derivatives with it, but that will also have a fuel efficient version. It's a vehicle that you really, really can drive every single day -- a four seater and so forth, while Corvette is in a class all by itself. It's one of our ultimate brands at the company that just continues to do well. We try to keep the production, you know, in line and not build too many so it keeps a very strong demand. The Z06s are some of the fastest turning vehicles that we have.
11-06-2007, 10:52 PM
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I don't think that is the case. Probably >90% of people that buy a Corvette are not worrying where it stacks up to other cars, and especially not to Pony cars. If the Z28 was a racecar Camaro that is street legal (a la Z06) and even happened to outperform the base Corvette I doubt it would steal more than just a few sales of the Plastic Fantastic. I think you would find that there are Corvette enthusiasts and Camaro enthusiasts with a few mercenary performance guys. But by and large those that really want a Corvette will by a Corvette even if a comparably priced Camaro trim runs with it or ahead of it. I know if I was in a position to chose between a somewhat quicker $45,000 Z28 and a $50,000 base Corvette, I would take the Corvette.
11-07-2007, 08:09 AM
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I don't think that is the case. Probably >90% of people that buy a Corvette are not worrying where it stacks up to other cars, and especially not to Pony cars. If the Z28 was a racecar Camaro that is street legal (a la Z06) and even happened to outperform the base Corvette I doubt it would steal more than just a few sales of the Plastic Fantastic.
11-07-2007, 08:36 AM
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Agreed more on making the Z28 the Z06 of Camaro.
More light weight additions could be used. If the Tahoe can have an aluminum hood and trunk, why cant Camaro? That could shave some pounds. But whatever is taken off, will most likely be put back on with the addition of larger brakes.
Which brings up another thought. That if GM had the forsight to keep the 5x4.75 bolt pattern, they could in turn make hubs for the Camaro so that the Camaro and Corvette could share brake components, which overall would shrink costs of the brake systems themselves, benfiting the Camaro and Corvette, not to mention help out hot rodders who might want to swap up to a set of ZR1 carbon ceramic pads and calipers, or for GM to make a SCCA race car using parts bin stuff.
But I guess they could keep the Holden pattern and use HSV designed super brakes, either way we are good!!
Z28's target should be the Z51 as far as handling, power, feel, performance and maybe a notch or 2 above that.
More light weight additions could be used. If the Tahoe can have an aluminum hood and trunk, why cant Camaro? That could shave some pounds. But whatever is taken off, will most likely be put back on with the addition of larger brakes.
Which brings up another thought. That if GM had the forsight to keep the 5x4.75 bolt pattern, they could in turn make hubs for the Camaro so that the Camaro and Corvette could share brake components, which overall would shrink costs of the brake systems themselves, benfiting the Camaro and Corvette, not to mention help out hot rodders who might want to swap up to a set of ZR1 carbon ceramic pads and calipers, or for GM to make a SCCA race car using parts bin stuff.
But I guess they could keep the Holden pattern and use HSV designed super brakes, either way we are good!!
Z28's target should be the Z51 as far as handling, power, feel, performance and maybe a notch or 2 above that.
11-08-2007, 07:56 PM
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But in all honestly, that'll be a tall order - especially if Camaro ends up being a pig, weightwise.
Look no further than the GT500 as an example. Even with 25% more horsepower than a base Vette, the GT500's ridiculous avoirdupois, sucks up any possible performance advantage from it, which allows the base Corvette to totally b!tch slap it in every performance metric you can think of.
If the Camaro comes in heavy, we won't be comparing it with a Z51, not even close. Not even in the same league. We'll be comparing it to the two ton Challenger and G8. And that would be a crying shame for a Z/28...
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11-08-2007, 08:08 PM
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Well Chevy used to say about the Z/28: "Closest thing to a Corvette yet".
But in all honestly, that'll be a tall order - especially if Camaro ends up being a pig, weightwise.
Look no further than the GT500 as an example. Even with 25% more horsepower than a base Vette, the GT500's ridiculous avoirdupois, sucks up any possible performance advantage from it.
If the Camaro comes in heavy, we won't be comparing it with a Z51, not even close. Not even in the same league. We'll be comparing it to the two ton Challenger and G8. And that would be a crying shame for a Z/28...
But in all honestly, that'll be a tall order - especially if Camaro ends up being a pig, weightwise.
Look no further than the GT500 as an example. Even with 25% more horsepower than a base Vette, the GT500's ridiculous avoirdupois, sucks up any possible performance advantage from it.
If the Camaro comes in heavy, we won't be comparing it with a Z51, not even close. Not even in the same league. We'll be comparing it to the two ton Challenger and G8. And that would be a crying shame for a Z/28...
11-09-2007, 03:10 PM
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11-09-2007, 05:49 PM
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actually - we said that the Camaro "......is the closest thing to a Vette Yet..." -- there were print ads -- featuring the Z28 -- but the video ads featured a Camaro Rally Sport (1971) chasing a Corvette around the Mesa Proving grounds -- with a camera mounted to the passenger side door -- -- and the final line in the ad was something along the lines of "prove it to yourself by visiting your local Chevy dealer today......"
11-09-2007, 06:07 PM
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actually - we said that the Camaro "......is the closest thing to a Vette Yet..." -- there were print ads -- featuring the Z28 -- but the video ads featured a Camaro Rally Sport (1971) chasing a Corvette around the Mesa Proving grounds -- with a camera mounted to the passenger side door -- -- and the final line in the ad was something along the lines of "prove it to yourself by visiting your local Chevy dealer today......"
Whats old is new again....
Id like to see a commercial like that again. We saw something like that with the Corvette and the Cobalt SS. I miss those commercials.
11-09-2007, 06:32 PM
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actually - we said that the Camaro "......is the closest thing to a Vette Yet..." -- there were print ads -- featuring the Z28 -- but the video ads featured a Camaro Rally Sport (1971) chasing a Corvette around the Mesa Proving grounds -- with a camera mounted to the passenger side door -- -- and the final line in the ad was something along the lines of "prove it to yourself by visiting your local Chevy dealer today......"
EDIT: Can anyone make this bigger? I remember I had this ad on my bedroom wall for years.
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11-11-2007, 09:11 PM
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Wow. I didn't realize Chevy had such a brotherly thing going on with the Camaro + Corvette! It's great seeing these adds!
All I was saying is that Chevy ain't going to compete with itself. One poster said it best: "Between a $50,000 Vette and a $45,000 Camaro that is a little faster, I'd pick the Vette". Most people wouldn't buy a Z/28 Camaro if they could afford a more prestigious car with similar performance. I think Z/28 is going to be all about light and quick. It may not have the most horsepower, but it is sure as hell fastest around the city. Which also means it's going to get special parts. Expensive parts.
- Rich
All I was saying is that Chevy ain't going to compete with itself. One poster said it best: "Between a $50,000 Vette and a $45,000 Camaro that is a little faster, I'd pick the Vette". Most people wouldn't buy a Z/28 Camaro if they could afford a more prestigious car with similar performance. I think Z/28 is going to be all about light and quick. It may not have the most horsepower, but it is sure as hell fastest around the city. Which also means it's going to get special parts. Expensive parts.
- Rich