Why was the image removed from the front page of the site?
 

Per an indirect request from General Motors, we have removed the leaked image of the 2009 Camaro concept from the front page of this site.

Once the images were leaked and spread like wildfire, we had the understanding that the damage was done and released our image.

We recently just received indirect word that GM still does not wish to have their copyrighted intellectual property on display at this time, even if the intentions are for GM's benefit. We have no problems complying with requests such as this as we understand that the images are property of GM, and not ours.

We apologize and ask that you please understand the reasoning behind this.

Rest assured that as soon as we are authorized to release more information, we will!

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I got the same email, and likewise complied. Undoubtedly some folks will be mad but its not worth risking you relationships with Scott & GM.

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Wow....what a damned mess....

THIS is why GM demands that all websites that have a relationship with them comply with embargoes...it really puts GM in a bad spot when they are forced to clean up the mess.

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This only solidifies my disloyalty to GM. Until the Firebird returns (I won't hold my breath), myself or anyone in my family will ever buy another GM product again. :mad:

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And make NO mistake...we will NEVER release ANYTHING unless we feel that we are SURE that it is okay to do so.

As I mentioned...when we released our image, we had an "off-the-record" understanding that the damage had already been done and at that point, our actions would do no additional harm. We were thinking that it would work the situation to an advantage, but there were obviously some mixed signals about this issue over the past few days.

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I see that a lot but never makes sense to me. It is their intellectual property, they can do as they wish with it. Why would them wanting to keep their private documents and designs private have any bearing on brand loyalty or what car you buy?

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Because they're a company. They don't care about the enthusiast. The only reason they'd bring back the Camaro is because RETRO is the trend right now. Why should I buy products from someone when they've shunned me before?

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If all website were like this one, there wouldn't have been this mess.

Thanks for all you do Jason & Chris!!:bow:

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Good grief. This old bit again?

I think you have an incorrect perception on things. What car maker isn't a company? What does them wanting to keep internal information private have to do with the enthusiast? That's smart business and no company would survive if they didn't take care of themselves like that.

If you think the whole retro thing is the reason why they are working to bring the car back, you need to take a look at other things. We have been saying for YEARS that many people inside GM want to bring the car back, the Save the F-Body Page has hundreds of thousands of entries. That DID change things, and that came from the enthusiasts.

If you honestly feel that way, sell your GM cars and buy a Ford or Chrysler or whatever. I don't even see what any of this has to do with the topic of this thread and you didn't answer any of my questions. There's TONS of other non-GM sites out there, find one and make some new friends that share the same thoughts. Complaining like that won't do anyone any good.

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Jason,
I understand that there is some frustration within the community about what has happened to the Z and I guess that explains some of that type of attittude but ultimately its GM's property, (enthusiast or not) so its THEIR call. Period. If its someones propety then its someones property and no amount of excuses changes that. They should not have been released without proper authority period.

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This has to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard on a forum. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, that is kinda what I was saying...did you really mean to quote me?

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Well, even the outline looks sexy :P.

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It's cool the images are all over other board now so I think people that haven't seen them shouldn't have any problem finding them.

I wonder though what would happen if you posted the pics and GM threatened that it was their property and you took it all the way to the courts
"OK show me the prototype to prove it's a picture of yours" :D

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Very true.

Heh...I wouldn't want to burn that bridge. This site and GM have a pretty decent relationship, and I wouldn't want to jeopardize that. If I feel they don't want them out there and/or on this site, I have no problems following along. What happens on other sites is out of my control. They can take their chances, I have no desire to. :)

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Doug, please drop the holier than thou attitude regarding our site. I think we have done FAR more positive things in regards to supporting GM than the problems caused by posting some pics. We didn't think we were the only site that received photos that day, and didn't know it would be some huge controversy to post them. Jason posted an unedited photo on this site too, so its evident that other sites had received copies as well.

Yes, it was a mistake on our part to post them. We apologized and immediately removed them. I spent nearly 6 hours that night chasing them down on the net and registering on dozens of sites to send PM's to Admins asking them to be removed.

I'm sick of hearing you take jabs at LS1TECH and its members because of this incident. Jason and I have always been on good terms, and I think he will agree that we have done TONS of positive things for the f-body enthusiasts as well.

Tony

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so how many people had a copy of these images (and newer ones) before they were leaked?

its starting to become very clear that many people have alluded to having certain pictures for quite some time.

if this was the case, then what did they expect to happen?

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hmmm 2009 different look maybe 2007 so it would be the 40th anniversary addition.. 09 to long to wait... I did like what saw the front needed alittle TLC but still I want one... Glad I got to see it on this forum.. If a company asked another one to pull photos sound like good business to me to do so...
Ricky

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Nothing to get in arguments about, gang. It is what it is, and things will come down the line soon enough.

Hang in there!

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Just do a search for all posts by his username... you might find quite a few to top that one. He's full of overdramatic pessimistic and illogical statements.

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Skull Leader.....I don't know whether I know you or not, but I take great exception to your statement that we do not care about the enthusiast. Far from it. I'd be happy to share with you privately what GM has spent just in the past year supporting Camaro/Firebird enthusiasts....just from the point of providing vehicles for shows...and sending GM people to these shows. I'll also provide you with how much I have PERSONALLY spent to support the community.

someone stole private property. As a corporation, we're bound by Sarbanes Oxley act to protect our shareholders. (and by the way...anyone on this site who has a pension plan is most likely a GM shareholder......)

While I may understand your disappointment, you are jumping to conclusions in matters you do not fully understand.

I'd respectfully ask you to reconsider your position.

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GM definitely cares about enthusiasts, not sure why anyone would question that. I know that Scott attends every f-body yearly gathering in Dallas that we organize on these sites, and also invites f-body enthusiasts to come hang out when he is in Houston. I also got the opportunity to roll with the GM guys the last two years during the Hotrod Power Tour. GM cars are the pace cars for the event!

Once again Scott, I apologize for this week's chaos. We are looking forward to the actual unveiling.

Tony

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Tony,

I have NO attitude toward your site...none. I didn't even mention your site in this thread...I made a generalization as to the multitude of other sites that have posted them. Lighten up man. Hell, Scott as much as said the same thing as what you're attacking me again for...

I've never questioned this either....but you, your moderators and the gang flamed the hell out of me for mentioning my real name (for John's reference) and that I too have done much good.

Tony, The ONLY reason I posted on your site was a post from this site pointed me to where the pictures were and I couldn't believe what had happened....John's comments caught me off guard and I called him on them...if you noticed, we're fine w/ each other now.

He posted them after an OK from GM...

Just stop making me the bad guy here....

I only called you and John on your transgression....I didn't take any jabs at LS1Tech...I in fact wish you well in my last post.....but you allowed your moderators to curse me and the childish gang to flame me for hours....you even joined in.

But, I'll say whatever I damned well please on sites other than yours....

I never questioned this, but stop playing the "holier than thou" game with me too, as I don't have to play second fiddle to anyone in this hobby when it comes to commitment of time & $$ spent to support it.

Now let's put this behind us and get over it already.

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If anyone has a copy of the pics please email them to me.

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No, I didn't mean to quote you Jason, Sorry!

Scott, it simply AMAZES me when people say GM doesn't support the enthusiast. NOBODY has done more for the enthusiast than GM has, PERIOD. All you have to do is look back on history since the mid'50's beginning with Ed Cole and the revolution of the small block as we know it. No manufacturer has produced more engines, more combos of engines and more cars to put them in than GM has. Does that mean that they are perfect, NO. There have been some mistakes made but I feel that they WILL and ARE addressing them.

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I'm sure this comment has been made before, but I wonder just how "accidental" the release of the image was. GM comes out a winner either way, and now they've gotten a quick "market test", and free Internet publicity with the enthusiast community.

I like what I saw of the car and would love to see it in production. Provided GM manages to stay in business that long. They aren't exactly making piles of money lately.

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Everyone stop complaining. What was leaked was a clay mockup/ design study. Rest assured that you all will see the final concept product at the autoshow, so no worries.

JasonD did the right thing. If you all are as big diehard fans as you say you are, you won't mind waiting a few more days. Just be happy you were fortunate enough to sneek a peak at the next design. :)

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I understand that people will believe what they want to regarding this, but I am here to say that this was not done on purpose. If you have your doubts, all I can say is that you have to trust me on this one and you can ask anyone here that I don't mislead anyone on things like these. I am very sure that jobs will be lost because of this, at the very least.

With the Detroit Auto Show being one month away, they would have done that long before now. Plus, GM isn't exactly winning with the public by having pics of an unfinished car out there that they need to reel back in.

Very good point.

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I have no trouble with removing the images. Issue is though...I had to go through threatening to ban people to get them to stop posting the images when they first came out. Then yesterday it was seemingly okay to post the images. I know they would not have been on this site (without the LS1Tech watermark no less) unless some kind of permission had been given. Now a day later I have to go through an remove all the pictures again in any thread they may have been discussed in...and start threatening to ban people so they won't post it. Kinda puts the webmasters out there in a bad position ( when we had nothing to do with the leak, and initially tryed to stop the pics from being posted). Especially when in this case we know which site violated the copyright agreement (they even watermarked the pictures!).

I am not trying to be difficult and I will carry what ever line GM wants regarding the pictures...however it would be helpful if GM held a consistant stance regarding the subject. With the way the internet moves, there is no room for an inconsistant stance on something like this. Most of the people reposting these images on websites are simply enthusiasts that are not nearly as involved as we are and have no clue about all these politics.

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The very fact that GM allows Mr. Settlemire to spend so much time supporting the F-BOdy Community (a car GM can't make any money off of at the moment since the cars are dead) should demonstrate to everyone the committment they have to enthusiasts.

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JasonD I believe you. Bottom line I appreciated the advance looks at the car and can only hope that it actually gets built and looks similar to the concept that I've seen.

Long live the F Body! :)

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LOL. Boy, there sure is some good stuff in this one. :D

Gotta feel for those that have to try and go out and clean these pics off their website forums, through no fault of their own. What a mess - and not a mess of their doing. Now, is there anybody out there that HASN'T seen the pics? And if you did see them, who didn't download them to their computer?

Gigs up, my friends - for better or for worse....I suggest GM try and make the best of it vice going on a witchhunt. I say that with one caveat....I'd go after whomever was the original source of the leak with guns a blazin.

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um could someone email me a desrciption of this leaked image so i can compare. thanks

Shadow

p.s
LClingwall@gmail.com

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Well.. although we all agree with your sentiment, the F-body is dead forever. The new car will not be an "F-body". F-body = 1967-2002 only.

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Long live the Gestapo.

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Hey, don't shoot the messenger. :rolleyes:

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I completely understand the position you are in Jason. Once again, you guys go out on a limb for us. :thumb:

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Obviously the photos are GM's property, I can understand that. My question is why is it such a big deal that they come out on a F-BODY enthusiast site? Those who would have been planning to go buy a Ford or Chrysler product may have just changed their minds because of the prospect of our beloved car coming back. What do we ,the die hard enthusiast have to profit? what do we have to gain? all of this mess, with over 1 month of time between the full scale introduction of the concept at the auto show.

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If you honestly feel that way, sell your GM cars and buy a Ford or Chrysler or whatever. [/QUOTE]


well im trying but the whole bankruptcy thing doesnt influence people to buy gm cars. its a shame gm is going down, but hey if its their time, its their time.

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Its too bad the photos were leaked a month before GM was going to show off the concept in Detroit. And I honestly do not believe this a publicity stunt. If they were trying to stir up controversy then we would have seen some spy photos last year when Ford released the new 05 Mustang.

GM screwed up when they stated the Fbody was dead and never coming back. Basically they were indirectly telling guys like us to go out and buy a new mustang... the most popular mustang to ever roll off Fords assembly line. I just hope the new Camaro looks a little more polished than what I saw in the pictures. Because the change is almost too dramatic from the 4th gen which may or may not be good. But one thing I do know is the new C6 is fairly close in design to the C5... just close enough you wouldnt have to think twice about what you were looking at. Unfortunately I cant say the same for the new Camaro based on the photos Ive seen. Nobody would question the 05 Mustang is a Mustang or the C6 is a Vette... GM needs to work a little harder on the Fbody image before that car screams CAMARO!