I guess some things never change. Much like the annoying youngster I used to be nagging my father on a road trip, "Dad, how much longer?" I find myself as impatient as ever waiting for the arrival of the new Camaro (and Challenger). I wonder why it takes so damn long for a huge auto manufacturer to produce a car and get it to the dealerships. I don't think this helps GM or DCX at all to tip their hand early and allow others to beef up their product offerings. I know the Challenger is coming out calendar year 2008, or at least that is the promise. Mustang will have its redesign out by the end of that year. The Camaro needs to surface sooner rather than later. A man can only drive a vw jetta for so long .

 

would you really want a half-baked Camaro next year? or would you rather wait and let GM do things the right way and give us an awesome car?

most people will choose the latter.

 

It is funny, I was contemplating making a similar thread, but complaining about the lack of information that GM is releasing.... I need some meat to chew on if I have to wait 2 more years for the entre!

You make it sound as though the two are mutually exclusive when i don't think they are. Yes, I do believe that if they have more time to get it out then they will have more time to test it, but I don't necessarily think that having them on the dealer's lots by the end of Q3 - beginning of Q4 in '08 would equate to a lesser product.

Then again, I really don't know much about the inner workings of the automotive industry, so my opinion means squat.

 

Plus it gives time to save $$ for a better down payment or even pay cash and therefore less interest.
I started saving in January just after the announcement: make payments into a savings account as if you were making car payments and by the time the car gets here you're in a much better negotiating position and payments, if needed, will be much more comfortable.

I'm still agonizing over the possibility of having to sell my 4th gen to make room for a 5th. I only have room in the garage for one car and I own a 'vert. (Wife gets the other spot and I have NO room to add on.) AAaaarrrrgh.

 

first of all, coming out with a brand new car, on a brand new untested platform takes time.. and 2 years isn't too bad

second of all, the mustang redesign isn't until 2010

 

Good idea. I am saving money by driving the car that I do not speak of, but it is tough to discipline myself to save. Of course I don't want GM to tape a car together to get it out early. Even though it is new, I would think that a company like GM could make it happen like casull said. Two years is not that bad I guess. Patience is one of those virtues I seriously lack.

 

You and me both man, you and me both...

 

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Aaron, there's ALOT that goes into getting a new car to market, and the mere fact that GM announce the Camaro this early in the game, and plan to have it in showrroms within 2 years is by automotive standards no small feat.

Consider that at the point the vehicle is given final approval, it simply means that GM has given the OK to spend money on developing the car, scheduling the plant rennovations, picking the OEM (origional equptment manufacturers) and approval to enter deals with them.

There's also the fact that those OEM's (after chosen and contracts are signed) are essentially given specs and what's expected out of the item they are creating (and testing) which often takes quite a while. Can you create a part that meets what GM would mandate as well as that part performing flawlessly not just for 100 or 200,000 miles, but for multiple years down the road under conditions most every car will never see in their life time? Also at this same time, GM is spending money on hashing out subsystems. Suspension, electrical, chassis. Many of these systems are tested over 100s of thousands of miles in real world driving. You can't accomplish this in just a matter of months.

Then, we have the issue of money and factory. If any automaker simply dumped a vehicle it was producing for a new model without that vehicle living out it's lifespan, it would be a massive waste of money. If GM simply threw it in a unoccupied factory, they would do nothing to decrease their excess capacity (GM uses something like 75% of their total capacity, and they plan to cut it down to 90% or better).

Also, it costs [b]M-E-G-A[b] bucks to bring out a new car. You not only send out for machinary & stamping parts. You also have to spend money on revamping whatever plant to make this vehicle. You have to spend money on training people to work on this specific car. You also have to spend money to find inevitable glitches and fix them. Then thers's traing the dealer network on both selling and repairing the vehicle. Then there's advertizing which is likely far more expensive than you'd think (a good advertizing campaign costs more than it took to create the Pontiac Solstice!). All this is something that has to be streched out. Unless you have alot of cash sitting around, you probally aren't going to rush out and buy a new car loaded to the teeth, you're probally going to save for it a bit 1st. Same with GM and any other car maker.

My advice to anyone who feels a need burning like a bad case of a social disease to buy a new car is to go and buy something else or get a used car to tide you over. Truth is cars take time, and if you just simply want the thing out now, IMHO there's something wrong with you (not to mention the fact that people like this are the key reason why dealers get away with scalping).

Chill out, and the car will get here! Unless you actually like getting raped, you probally aren't going to be the 1st on your block to get one because the prices on them are going to be astronomical at 1st.

 

MMR (Manheim Market Report, the main tool dealers use to set prices on used cars, what they pay wholesale), on an '03 Z06 with average miles is under $27,000. Just food for thought.

 

Don't even start with that kind of nonsense, or I might just go out and buy one!!!

 

You are the devil . That sounds like a nice ride to settle on until the Camaro comes out.

 

The hard part is over, GM officially announced its release. That was the worst time for me was when it got taken off the lineup and the general public was unsure if it was ever going to make a comeback. Whether I buy one or not, I can wait the time.

 

Don't worry, next time I am out in Wichita for Learjet training I will do everyone a favor and kill RON for his earlier post.

 

Hello everyone. I have been watching the site ever since the news back in January and finally registered. I think that waiting on my next toy may very well make me lose my mind but it will be worth it. I have to agree with what has been said about giving them time to make it perfect. Not only do I want to see the new Camaro, I also want to see GM blow everyone else out of the water. So just give them time and we will have the most awesome vehicle on the market. Also the car should come out around the time I start teaching so finances should be in perfect order for one.