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Old 03-01-2008 | 02:23 PM
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No v8=no 5th gen for me. Honestly. compared to alot of what is out there the V8 Camaro should be fairly thrifty. Compared to my 3/4 ton Silverado (13 MPG) my Camaro IS my econo-car!
Old 03-01-2008 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bossco
Well considering 30k (and there abouts in both directions) is pretty much the standard price for your average car these days, saying you can't afford 4 bucks a gallon pretty much points out that the middle class is dead in the US and I'm pretty sure the bulk of this site's membership falls in that range and by extension people who want to purchase a V8 Camaro.
There is a difference between being able to afford it and not wanting to **** money down the drain. I don't think $4 will sink the middle class, but it certainly will cause drastic changes in consumer spending habits and the overall economy.
Old 03-01-2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
If $4 gas bothers you, you have no business buying a $30k+ car.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Seriously, those who are worried about the cost of fuel had better rethink their priorities, and a 30 thousand dollar performance coupe shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list.

I can say that because, quite honestly, I don't care if gas hits 4 bucks a gallon. I can afford a $30k car, and I can afford to put 50 bucks in gas in it every week. Life is all about what you make of it, and you are free to make your life as you wish. Do well in school, have a plan and some goals in life, and you can afford to have fun without worrying about your next paycheck.

OTOH, if you don't do well in school, and don't strive to hit the next level in your carreer, you should be content on driving whatever fits your budget.

Would I be here if I couldn't afford the car and the maintenance? No. I'd probably be driving a Honda Civic.

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Old 03-01-2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fastball
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Seriously, those who are worried about the cost of fuel had better rethink their priorities, and a 30 thousand dollar performance coupe shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list.

I can say that because, quite honestly, I don't care if gas hits 4 bucks a gallon. I can afford a $30k car, and I can afford to put 50 bucks in gas in it every week. Life is all about what you make of it, and you are free to make your life as you wish. Do well in school, have a plan and some goals in life, and you can afford to have fun without worrying about your next paycheck.

OTOH, if you don't do well in school, and don't strive to hit the next level in your carreer, you should be content on driving whatever fits your budget.

Would I be here if I couldn't afford the car and the maintenance? No. I'd probably be driving a Honda Civic.
In the words of Frank Rizzo, "I'm very proud of ya."

Congratulations, you can afford a V8 and you have a plan with some goals in life, and don't have to worry about your next paycheck. That describes 90% plus of the people in this forum. The new Camaro will in all likelihood get better MPG than my V8 Jeep that I drive right now. Again, the point of this thread was not necessarily to see who can't afford it, but who is going to eventually draw a line on how much money they are literally going to burn before they decide it doesn't make sense for them. I know people who make $500k plus a year and make it a point not to buy a V8 because spending the extra money doesn't make sense to them.
Old 03-01-2008 | 06:07 PM
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There is no way I would buy a V6 Camaro unless it was a hot turbo'd V6 that put out some very impressive (350+hp) power and had the potential for tons more w/ cheap mods. Even then, probably not.

There is no way I'd buy a V6 base model Camaro. In the past you might as well buy a Camry because you sure as hell didn't buy a real Camaro, but w/ a 300-ish hp V6 it's getting respectable.

On top of that what is the gas mileage going to be on the V6? Probably not much better than the V8, you're talking a few extra bucks a fill up. Screw that, I'll take the 100+ extra HP of a LS3 level car and the pride of buying the "real" Camaro.
Old 03-01-2008 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by notgetleft
If $4 gas bothers you, you have no business buying a $30k+ car.
seriously, get something else if you can't stomach $4 a gallon
Old 03-01-2008 | 06:44 PM
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seriously, get something else if you can't stomach $4 a gallon
These are stupid statements. I make a salary that puts me in the top 6% of earners in the US.........$4 a gallon gas is going to hurt me so I know its going to hurt people who make average wages.
Old 03-01-2008 | 07:19 PM
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These are stupid statements. I make a salary that puts me in the top 6% of earners in the US.........$4 a gallon gas is going to hurt me so I know its going to hurt people who make average wages.
I agree. A lot of people might rather get a different sporty car than Camaro if the V8 has craptacular fuel economy. I certainly am not going to blame someone for buying a six if they can't justify the operating cost of the V8. And it isn't even like you shouldn't worry about fuel costs for a $30,000 car considering the average car price is moving up that high. Hell maybe acceleration isn't the highest priority for someone, maybe they have another car as the weekend warrior or racecar. Whatever. It is sad that there is a stigma surrounding the V6s because they are the model that will have to carry the Camaro through the 5th Gen and the 6th if there is to be one. Otherwise it is the 4th Gen all over again and we can start the countdown timer until the car is canceled again.

I used to have a 3.8L Firebird, which was superior in many ways to many of the V8 cars of years past as I am sure the new Camaro V6 will be as well. It was kinda nice filling it with 87 and getting 25 combined.
Old 03-01-2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
There is no way I'd buy a V6 base model Camaro. In the past you might as well buy a Camry because you sure as hell didn't buy a real Camaro...

Screw that, I'll take the 100+ extra HP of a LS3 level car and the pride of buying the "real" Camaro.
Sooooo...basically what you're saying is that the engine defines the car......so how about an LS1/2/6 in a Civic?? Would you call that a Vette?? Yeeeeeah...I'm going to go ahead and say...NO. So saying that a V6 doesn't, or didn't, constitute a "real" Camaro is an incredibly ignorant statement. I think that many people would agree that there is MUCH more to the Camaro name than it's engine, not only that, but without a V6...there would be NO Camaro. Go look at the numbers...

And for information's sake only, I'll be purchasing the base level V8, whether it be the SS or Z28...and I'm not worried about gas prices...I'll just figure it all out when I get there.

And once again people are throwing $30K+ around...and if you are in fact talking about the upper trim level V8, then so be it, but let's be reminded of what's been said over and over again. ***Similarly equipped Mustang*** $30K+ can't be the price for the base level V8...or we all know what fate the Camaro will suffer...
Old 03-01-2008 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
I agree. A lot of people might rather get a different sporty car than Camaro if the V8 has craptacular fuel economy. I certainly am not going to blame someone for buying a six if they can't justify the operating cost of the V8. And it isn't even like you shouldn't worry about fuel costs for a $30,000 car considering the average car price is moving up that high. Hell maybe acceleration isn't the highest priority for someone, maybe they have another car as the weekend warrior or racecar. Whatever. It is sad that there is a stigma surrounding the V6s because they are the model that will have to carry the Camaro through the 5th Gen and the 6th if there is to be one. Otherwise it is the 4th Gen all over again and we can start the countdown timer until the car is canceled again.

I used to have a 3.8L Firebird, which was superior in many ways to many of the V8 cars of years past as I am sure the new Camaro V6 will be as well. It was kinda nice filling it with 87 and getting 25 combined.


thank u! u guys better hope us average people buy the camaro v6,v8 whatever , cause if we don't u won't have a 6th gen.


and here's something u guys should know about e85.

One complication is that use of gasoline in an engine with a high enough compression ratio to use E-85 efficiently would likely result in catastrophic failure, whereas use of E-85 in an engine designed for gasoline will result only in a loss of efficiency. Therefore, E85 gets more fuel consumption in flex fuel type vehicles because they are designed with lower compression ratios. So in order to save money at the pump with a flex fuel vehicle the price difference between gasoline and E-85 must be great enough to offset this. Currently E85 is about 5-10% less expensive in most areas.[5] More than 20 fueling stations across the Midwest are selling E85 25%-40% cheaper than gasoline.[6] E85 also gets less MPGs. It has been tested and proven that a car that would get 19 city/21 Hwy using normal gas (regular), would get 9 city/11-13 hwy using E85.

and i heard (don't remember where) that it takes a few gallons of gas to actually make e85.
Old 03-01-2008 | 07:57 PM
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If the V6 puts out 300HP and gas is $4 I'll go with the V6. I'd rather have a V8 but what it really comes down to for me is style, value and 300-350HP. If the only V6 is 255HP and the 361HP L76 is offered for only $2000 more then I'd go with the L76. (that is what I'd do if I was buying a G8)
Old 03-01-2008 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by falchulk
These are stupid statements. I make a salary that puts me in the top 6% of earners in the US.........$4 a gallon gas is going to hurt me so I know its going to hurt people who make average wages.
LOL yeah, an extra $20 a week for gas is a hardship but that $500-600 monthly car note is no big deal, even though it's purely a lifestyle choice. That is about a hundred and eighty degrees out of whack. A person whose financial situation is that delicate should think long & hard when a clean, reliable, fuel efficient used car will get them from point A to point B just as well as a new V8 Camaro for about a fifth or a fourth of the cost. If it's a hardship to you at that income level then you need to start listening to Clark Howard or something. I make a comfortable living but nowhere near being top 6% and while I won't like $4 gas one bit it is not going to hurt me in the slightest.

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Old 03-01-2008 | 08:17 PM
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As a college student worrying about paying for college and gas and even insurance, i will be getting the v6. If the 5th gen will have ly7 DI (most likely), im going to stick with that. I have an average of a 40 - 50 mile day commute every day.
Old 03-01-2008 | 08:46 PM
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and i heard (don't remember where) that it takes a few gallons of gas to actually make e85.
That would be because its 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. I highly doubt that cars running ethanol get 1/2 the mileage of a comparable gasoline car, I've never heard a figure that poor before.

http://www.agriculture.com/ag/story....7098565893.xml

15 - 28% lower mileage on E85
Old 03-01-2008 | 09:07 PM
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15 city, 18 highway in the Caprice. If Camaro cant clear the gas milage of a 4200lb TBI powerd land boat, we got problems.


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