Some thoughts on the pictures........
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I am a 26 year old female. I got my first camaro at 16. A 1991 rs, after that I was hooked. And since then I have had a 1991 z28, 1982 pace car, 1978 z28, 1989 formula, 1994 z28, 1996 trans am, 2000 special ordered SS, and now a 67. So experiencing all the previous WONDERFUL f-bods, I have to say I am very enthused. I WILL be special ordering one as soon as they say its ready to be ordered. I love the pics. I think it is wonderful and will do wonderful things for gm! YEA TO THE CAMARO
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by OctaneZ28
The countdown: http://www.camarohighway.com/Countdown.htm
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by HTWLSS
Too funny! I made a countdown timer to the unveiling, changing the script from the "Countdown to the 2006 Budweiser Shootout" clock from Insider Racing News, and variants of it are now appearing on other sites! I put my countdown timer link in my signature on Chirpthird.com last week and it's interesting to see how it is evolving.
i just saw it. that's pretty good. link it to your sig on here.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
I love it. There's a few things here and there I would change, but overall the car is outstanding.
The front end is awesome - very aggressive, mean-looking. I like the passenger-side foglight design, it fits in better with the overall shape and attitude of the car. The mirrors, while cool-looking, will never see production. The cowl hood is a ncie touch.
The rear of the car needs some attention. I like the taillights, they add to the aggressive look. the rear looks like it could squat down a bit more. The exhaust tips need to go, though. They're a little overdone.
I like the 1st-gen touches. I was totally against any retro concepts, but this car is not as retro as I thought it would be.
If anyone is at the New York Int'l. Auto Show, I'll be the guy bowing in front of the car in worship. I can't wait to see the final version in person.
The front end is awesome - very aggressive, mean-looking. I like the passenger-side foglight design, it fits in better with the overall shape and attitude of the car. The mirrors, while cool-looking, will never see production. The cowl hood is a ncie touch.
The rear of the car needs some attention. I like the taillights, they add to the aggressive look. the rear looks like it could squat down a bit more. The exhaust tips need to go, though. They're a little overdone.
I like the 1st-gen touches. I was totally against any retro concepts, but this car is not as retro as I thought it would be.
If anyone is at the New York Int'l. Auto Show, I'll be the guy bowing in front of the car in worship. I can't wait to see the final version in person.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by TechCam97
No matter what the reasons were, they still had to sell them and there certainly wasn't a shortage of buyers. When you see a bad *** Camaro in a magazine or when someone is asked to pick out their favorite Camaro, 99% of the time they'll point to the 69.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Bearcat Steve
Actually, Chevrolet did a study on the most recognizable Camaro. The 1985 IROC won. Keep in mind that not ALL car buyers are old farts or enthusiats like us.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with....
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with....
i spent my childhood staring at 3rd gens and was in love with 4th gens as a teen, but my favorite is still the 67.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Bearcat Steve
"Actually, Chevrolet did a study on the most recognizable Camaro. The 1985 IROC won. Keep in mind that not ALL car buyers are old farts or enthusiats like us."
Originally Posted by Doug
"Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with...."
You are both half right.
We did a clinic...actually two of them that I recall. At the last few minutes of the clinic, we finally 'fessed up and said "GM is looking to develop a new V8 RWD coupe....here are various pictures that represent 30 years of the Chevy Camaro.....which Camaro 'speaks to you' as the ultimate Camaro? (or some such words....which, by the way...I shoud go back and look at exactly how it was worded...that's important...)
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now......they weren't all 25 years of age.
They were:
Camaro Female V6 owner under 35
Camaro Female V6 owner over 35
Camaro Female V8 owner under 35
Camaro Female V8 owner over 35
Camaro Male v6 under 35
Camaro male v6 over 35
Camaro male V8 under 35
Camaro male v8 over 35
....same breakdowns for Firebird and Mustang
....same breakdowns for Eclipse (no engine difference)
Female responders to "I'm going to buy a Sport Coupe in the next year" under 35
Same as above but over 35
Same as above except male under 35
Same as above except male over 35.
2,500 people. Each session twenty people within same category.
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
"Actually, Chevrolet did a study on the most recognizable Camaro. The 1985 IROC won. Keep in mind that not ALL car buyers are old farts or enthusiats like us."
Originally Posted by Doug
"Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with...."
You are both half right.
We did a clinic...actually two of them that I recall. At the last few minutes of the clinic, we finally 'fessed up and said "GM is looking to develop a new V8 RWD coupe....here are various pictures that represent 30 years of the Chevy Camaro.....which Camaro 'speaks to you' as the ultimate Camaro? (or some such words....which, by the way...I shoud go back and look at exactly how it was worded...that's important...)
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now......they weren't all 25 years of age.
They were:
Camaro Female V6 owner under 35
Camaro Female V6 owner over 35
Camaro Female V8 owner under 35
Camaro Female V8 owner over 35
Camaro Male v6 under 35
Camaro male v6 over 35
Camaro male V8 under 35
Camaro male v8 over 35
....same breakdowns for Firebird and Mustang
....same breakdowns for Eclipse (no engine difference)
Female responders to "I'm going to buy a Sport Coupe in the next year" under 35
Same as above but over 35
Same as above except male under 35
Same as above except male over 35.
2,500 people. Each session twenty people within same category.
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
an addition to my statement:
the rear also needs a small spoiler, a la the 1st gen-style, in keeping with the general theme of the car. I hope to see something like it on the final concept car. it would add to the "raciness" of the body lines.
the rear also needs a small spoiler, a la the 1st gen-style, in keeping with the general theme of the car. I hope to see something like it on the final concept car. it would add to the "raciness" of the body lines.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
We did a clinic...actually two of them that I recall. At the last few minutes of the clinic, we finally 'fessed up and said "GM is looking to develop a new V8 RWD coupe....here are various pictures that represent 30 years of the Chevy Camaro.....which Camaro 'speaks to you' as the ultimate Camaro? (or some such words....which, by the way...I shoud go back and look at exactly how it was worded...that's important...)
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
Did these results influence the direction of the design back in '99?
If so, was that direction completely scrapped when work on the new Camaro stopped?
Were similar clinics (with similar polls) held again once work restarted.
I guess, I'm trying to get at what was the driver for the heavy 1st gen influence on the new car (other than the Mustangs sales numbers of course).
Thanks.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by danno02SS
I guess, I'm trying to get at what was the driver for the heavy 1st gen influence on the new car (other than the Mustangs sales numbers of course).
Thanks.
I think it will be awhile before we find out such answers.
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Re: Some thoughts on the pictures........
Originally Posted by Red Planet
Originally Posted by Bearcat Steve
"Actually, Chevrolet did a study on the most recognizable Camaro. The 1985 IROC won. Keep in mind that not ALL car buyers are old farts or enthusiats like us."
Originally Posted by Doug
"Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with...."
You are both half right.
We did a clinic...actually two of them that I recall. At the last few minutes of the clinic, we finally 'fessed up and said "GM is looking to develop a new V8 RWD coupe....here are various pictures that represent 30 years of the Chevy Camaro.....which Camaro 'speaks to you' as the ultimate Camaro? (or some such words....which, by the way...I shoud go back and look at exactly how it was worded...that's important...)
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now......they weren't all 25 years of age.
They were:
Camaro Female V6 owner under 35
Camaro Female V6 owner over 35
Camaro Female V8 owner under 35
Camaro Female V8 owner over 35
Camaro Male v6 under 35
Camaro male v6 over 35
Camaro male V8 under 35
Camaro male v8 over 35
....same breakdowns for Firebird and Mustang
....same breakdowns for Eclipse (no engine difference)
Female responders to "I'm going to buy a Sport Coupe in the next year" under 35
Same as above but over 35
Same as above except male under 35
Same as above except male over 35.
2,500 people. Each session twenty people within same category.
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
"Actually, Chevrolet did a study on the most recognizable Camaro. The 1985 IROC won. Keep in mind that not ALL car buyers are old farts or enthusiats like us."
Originally Posted by Doug
"Keep in mind that this clinic included most people who weren't old enough to remember the 1st or even the 2nd gen Camaros....of course you'd pick the only Camaro you really identify with...."
You are both half right.
We did a clinic...actually two of them that I recall. At the last few minutes of the clinic, we finally 'fessed up and said "GM is looking to develop a new V8 RWD coupe....here are various pictures that represent 30 years of the Chevy Camaro.....which Camaro 'speaks to you' as the ultimate Camaro? (or some such words....which, by the way...I shoud go back and look at exactly how it was worded...that's important...)
Over 80% of the people picked the 1985 IROC.(you could have knocked me over with a feather....)
Now......they weren't all 25 years of age.
They were:
Camaro Female V6 owner under 35
Camaro Female V6 owner over 35
Camaro Female V8 owner under 35
Camaro Female V8 owner over 35
Camaro Male v6 under 35
Camaro male v6 over 35
Camaro male V8 under 35
Camaro male v8 over 35
....same breakdowns for Firebird and Mustang
....same breakdowns for Eclipse (no engine difference)
Female responders to "I'm going to buy a Sport Coupe in the next year" under 35
Same as above but over 35
Same as above except male under 35
Same as above except male over 35.
2,500 people. Each session twenty people within same category.
Now.....this was back in 1999 as I recall.....so yes, most of those people would have remembered 1st and 2nd gen cars.
I'm rather surprised that since the 85 IROC-Z won this... and by such a large margin... that it (apparently) didn't have more influence on the styling direction of the 5th Gen.