Youd have to understand that Lutz said that they didnt go to retro as in too much like the 69 saying "If you wanted an old car buy an old car." That has been repeated painfully too many times to me and others who like the 69 or even the retro look. Which I hate hearing.

Now the concept is new and 4th gen is the old car I was half joking. I couldnt pass up the oppertunity. Of course if you have to explain it it aint funny but its still ironic.

 

I'd vote on that poll, but it doesn't go into the negatives. I love the first gen Camaro and all, but if that's Chevy's idea of reviving the Camaro, then I hope GM goes under so that thing will never be produced. I seriously thought that Chris Bangle snuck into GM's design center and messed with the original design upon seeing the first pictures. Then I vomited. Words can't describe how much I hate that thing.

If I was Rick Wagoner or Bob Lutz, here's what I would do:

- Fire all of the designers responsible for that abortion of a Camaro, and put them on a blacklist so that they will never have a job designing cars ever again.

-Hire designers that have class and taste, things the GM designers seem to be heavily lacking, aside from the Corvette and HHR, of course.

-Give them a good-condition '69 Z28 coupe for inspiration, and pictures of the '70 Dodge Challenger and the '06 Challenger concept for something to shoot for.

-Keep the seats from the concept. Those were the only things done right.

-For God's sake, design some real muscle car wheels, not those things that looked like they came off of a Nissan 350Z.

-If anyone talks about how the design was inspired by fighter pilots, I would hire Darryl Revok to make the offending party's head explode, like so:


-If any concept drawings have a rear end that even remotely looks like the concept's rear end, the offending party will die a death so horrible, rotten.com won't touch the autopsy photos.

-Stick to the design elements that make the first-gen Camaro so great, with some minor modern updates. Note the word minor. Anything that deviates from the first-gen design will result in the offending party having his spinal cord ripped out, Mortal Kombat-style.

You get the gist of where I'm going, I suppose.

 

If you want a Camaro that looks exactly like a 69', shouldn't you just buy a 69'?

 

I think even I dont like things like leaf springs or the thought of using a 40 year old car for a daily driver. I never understand why people say this or if you thought about what you were saying.

The 69 is a beautiful muscle car BUT you shouldnt drive it everyday because

-Its 40 years old so expect the problems of a 40 year old car...
-Though it was one of the highest producing years there is only ONE year that looks like that which means there are only 243,085 produced when they were new.
-They should be weekend drivers you shouldnt be depleating what little are left anyway by submitting them to daily wear and tear.
-Technology and lack of saftey by todays standards make this even more unreasonable. Honestly Drum brakes without powerboost or ABS and traction control? Leaf springs or IRS?
-Gas milege of 1969 or of 2009?
-HP of 1969 or 2009?

The next Camaro will be a dailer driver for most people in contrast. There is no need to ruin a true 69 when the next gen can have the looks of 1st gen and do everything a modern car is supposed to do.

 

Isn't that the truth. I grew up loving Camaro's. I wanted a 68. So i drove a 68' from the age of 18- 21. Really nice driving car. (By contrast my brother had a 68' Mustang which drove and felt like a boat on water.) But my second car was an 89' Iroc-Z 350. I took mountain curves 15mph faster. It felt a lot more solid than the 68', which is amazing, because in time the third gen got on my nerves for it's rattles and harsh suspension. So i love all Camaro's, but i don't want to go back in time.

 

I ve always wanted a 69. I love the look but never realized it would have to be a second car. Im in the process of selling my 69 now. I want the look but to be able to drive it every day. The one exterior line I wish the concept would get would be the 69 wheel well lines. I wasnt around when the 1st gen was produced, so for me its more about style.

Happy Easter!

 

Wow. All I have to say is that I'm surprised. Surprised at how positive the overall vibe is here on the concept. Myself, I dont like it. Most of the guys Ive spoken to local dont care for it either.
Well, to each his own. Now to see if GM builds it.

 

I like the back half, i would like to see them get the front end lower. The car is still a little too retro for me.

 

'Too retro'? Have we been looking at the same pics? Have you seen this thing in person? There's very little 'retro' about this vehicle but a few hints here and there. All in all this looks like an entirely new vehicle.

If it wasn't pointed out to me I would have had a hard time seeing the retro cues. I've only seen one pic that looks strongly retro, it's a side view. I'll have to look it up and post it sometime...

Too retro would be the Challenger (or even the Mustang), not the Camaro.

Though in person the Challenger isn't as bad as I thought from pics. Finding out it's front end isn't flat like the Mustang and indeed does have a point similar to the Camaro (only with a flat recessed grille) made it more attractive to me.

 

You have a hard time seeing the retro cues? ooooooooookay.



Here's a hint: it looks like a first generation Camaro with a laid back winshield, and a bigger rear end.

 

and a less pointy nose.

and not as much chisled edges

and a much taller greenhouse

but basically yeah.. people are kidding themselves if they have a hard time seeing the retro cues...

however.. the camaro does at the same time look futuristic.. and that's why i love it.. a great middle ground in my opinion

 

That's not what I meant.

I'm saying the 'retro' cues aren't blatant like they are on the Mustang and Challenger. They are far more subtle.

And aside from the side view, I don't think the retro cues are anything more than that, just 'cues'.

I've never cared for old cars (no offense to those that do) and would not even begin to like the new Camaro if it were as retro as the Mustang and Challenger.

I just don't see anything other than subtle retro bits, nothing obvious.

 

That's exactly it. Some people see obvious retro, others see a totally new car with retro hints. I agree with it being the perfect 'middle ground'.

 

After seeing it today, pics dont do it justice. Only thing is it has a bunch of billet parts under the hood. Bet they wont be there in production. Im just afraid the MSRP will be out of reach

 

After watching the videos and looking at the pics GM took of the car.. I think its absolutely perfect.

This is the meanest, best looking car I've seen in my life yet has a retro look to it.
I dont mind the lack of t-tops because they have far too much "mullet factor". Coupe or convertible for me please.

I'm absolutely stunned by this car, the best balance of retro and modern. I graduate from the university in exactly 12 months and will hopefully be going from my part time position to a fulltime position at my company (John Deere).

I want my first purchase to be this Camaro.