The new premium camaro.
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While this is a reply to the original post, it could easily apply to some other comments and threads I've read this evening.
Question: Do you really think that when Bob Lutz says that the Camaro will be priced as a Premium car that he means it will cost more than the G8 (a "Premium" car that has the overhead of being shipped in from Australia)?
Here is the quote from the blog, "GM will position both the V6 and V8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang."
Since the G8 is considered a Premium car (plus some since it's Pontiac instead of Chevy), I'd guess he's saying that the price will be closer to the G8. I'd also be willing to bet that the Camaro will come in lower priced than the G8 equivalent across the board. If I'm right, then the Camaro will be priced like a well optioned Mustang with the "Premium" package.
If that amount of increase in the price is a deal breaker for some, I can understand their frustration. However, if you think you should just buy a G8 because of the unknown Camaro pricing, I'm fairly certain you'll be spending more on the Pontiac than on the comparable Camaro.
Edit: Got caught up with a phone call from work and didn't get the above typed in before the Great Scott posted.
FWIW, the "Premium" package on the Ford Mustang adds less than $1500 to the price of the base model.
Question: Do you really think that when Bob Lutz says that the Camaro will be priced as a Premium car that he means it will cost more than the G8 (a "Premium" car that has the overhead of being shipped in from Australia)?
Here is the quote from the blog, "GM will position both the V6 and V8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang."
Since the G8 is considered a Premium car (plus some since it's Pontiac instead of Chevy), I'd guess he's saying that the price will be closer to the G8. I'd also be willing to bet that the Camaro will come in lower priced than the G8 equivalent across the board. If I'm right, then the Camaro will be priced like a well optioned Mustang with the "Premium" package.
If that amount of increase in the price is a deal breaker for some, I can understand their frustration. However, if you think you should just buy a G8 because of the unknown Camaro pricing, I'm fairly certain you'll be spending more on the Pontiac than on the comparable Camaro.
Edit: Got caught up with a phone call from work and didn't get the above typed in before the Great Scott posted.
FWIW, the "Premium" package on the Ford Mustang adds less than $1500 to the price of the base model.
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Well. I'm tired of waiting too. 
I still like what I see in the new Camaro concept. But it's been a "concept" for years...too long. I too would like to see what the car will really look like, pricing, etc... But I'm not holding my breath anymore.
If you're ready to buy, I would buy the G8 and let the Camaro wait until you're ready. It will be at least a couple years before we can order one from a Chevy dealer without a long wait and/or paying a premium price. I agree...we have waited long enough. GM really missed the boat on this one. It's been 6 years now since the last Camaro went out of production, and there's 2 new Mopar "Pony Cars" in play now in addition to the Mustang. There are not a lot of buyers for this type of car and GM has been out of the market for too long.
The new Camaro concept looks like it will be a beautiful car, but I'm afraid it may suffer the same fate as the GTO. A short run vehicle with low sales....but I hope I'm wrong.
You're not the only one who has lost interest in the new Camaro because of the delays. Maybe they released the concept too soon.
I still like what I see in the new Camaro concept. But it's been a "concept" for years...too long. I too would like to see what the car will really look like, pricing, etc... But I'm not holding my breath anymore.If you're ready to buy, I would buy the G8 and let the Camaro wait until you're ready. It will be at least a couple years before we can order one from a Chevy dealer without a long wait and/or paying a premium price. I agree...we have waited long enough. GM really missed the boat on this one. It's been 6 years now since the last Camaro went out of production, and there's 2 new Mopar "Pony Cars" in play now in addition to the Mustang. There are not a lot of buyers for this type of car and GM has been out of the market for too long.
The new Camaro concept looks like it will be a beautiful car, but I'm afraid it may suffer the same fate as the GTO
. A short run vehicle with low sales....but I hope I'm wrong.You're not the only one who has lost interest in the new Camaro because of the delays. Maybe they released the concept too soon.
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Thanks for quieting the Chicken Littles Scott! 
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I find it funny how you have done so much research that you never realized that every ford product is cheaper than chevy. From the stupid focus to the F-350 the equivilant chevy product is more because it is a better vehicle I work for a dealer and have companies pay more for chevy because they last. Just curious why you thought the Camaro would be any different.
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Well Stated!!!! That's what he should have said! Like I have stated in the different thread, a Pontiac Trans Am is grander (premium) over the Camaro for the 3rd and 4th gen. In this sense, you had to shell out more even all of those Fbodies had the same engine and build, except for the external casing pratically! I'm not putting down any Camaro owner vehicles, but face it, a Trans Am WS6 was priced much higher than a Camaro SS in 2001!!!! Comparable V6s had the same gap in price between the two makes as well!
The Camaro will likely be more appealing externally and internally compared to the Mustang, thus, GM must upcharge to make up the difference.
The Camaro will likely be more appealing externally and internally compared to the Mustang, thus, GM must upcharge to make up the difference.
Hmm the the Firebird was a premium price car vs the Camaro many years. It amounted to some thing just being standard you had to order ont he Camaro extra.
The bottom line is the Camaro wil still l be affordable and better optioned than a Mustang.
What Lutz would have been better off saying is the Camaro will be a better value as you will get things like IRS and more HP for only a little more.
Non isssue move on the sky is not falling.
The bottom line is the Camaro wil still l be affordable and better optioned than a Mustang.
What Lutz would have been better off saying is the Camaro will be a better value as you will get things like IRS and more HP for only a little more.
Non isssue move on the sky is not falling.
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Whatever dude, go buy a G8. You can always trade it in in a couple of years, right?
I wouldn't get too upset until I saw the official prices.
Life is too short to worry about something that might or might not happen a year from now.
I'm also looking forward to the Camaro but I'm also happy driving what I'm driving now.
I wouldn't get too upset until I saw the official prices.
Life is too short to worry about something that might or might not happen a year from now.
I'm also looking forward to the Camaro but I'm also happy driving what I'm driving now.
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Even though some read this post having the same opinion as your don't state it, I will.
Your Reply statement I'm sure is on many people's mind and hearts about the Camaro! I'm sure that some need another vehicle and have held out for what they can to make the purchase on this Camaro.
Many of you are not siding with Mike based on your continual appeal to the Camaro. Mike needed to vent base on disappointment about pricing.... The Challenger order list is currently over filled where the markup is $15,000 from the initial $40,000. Dodge does not control the markup, the dealership does!!!!!
The markup will happen to the Camaro upon release, but for how long? Would you be interested still if the markup is even $10,000? Die hard or not, Dollarwise you are an F'en idiot if you pay $40,000 for the V8! Too purchased a used 2010 Camaro years later would be stupid as well. If you are paying beyond $20,000 for a vehicle, I think that it would be dumb to invest into someone's leftovers!
Your Reply statement I'm sure is on many people's mind and hearts about the Camaro! I'm sure that some need another vehicle and have held out for what they can to make the purchase on this Camaro.
Many of you are not siding with Mike based on your continual appeal to the Camaro. Mike needed to vent base on disappointment about pricing.... The Challenger order list is currently over filled where the markup is $15,000 from the initial $40,000. Dodge does not control the markup, the dealership does!!!!!
The markup will happen to the Camaro upon release, but for how long? Would you be interested still if the markup is even $10,000? Die hard or not, Dollarwise you are an F'en idiot if you pay $40,000 for the V8! Too purchased a used 2010 Camaro years later would be stupid as well. If you are paying beyond $20,000 for a vehicle, I think that it would be dumb to invest into someone's leftovers!
Well. I'm tired of waiting too. I still like what I see in the new Camaro concept. But it's been a "concept" for years...too long. I too would like to see what the car will really look like, pricing, etc... But I'm not holding my breath anymore.
If you're ready to buy, I would buy the G8 and let the Camaro wait until you're ready. It will be at least a couple years before we can order one from a Chevy dealer without a long wait and/or paying a premium price. I agree...we have waited long enough. GM really missed the boat on this one. It's been 6 years now since the last Camaro went out of production, and there's 2 new Mopar "Pony Cars" in play now in addition to the Mustang. There are not a lot of buyers for this type of car and GM has been out of the market for too long.
The new Camaro concept looks like it will be a beautiful car, but I'm afraid it may suffer the same fate as the GTO. A short run vehicle with low sales....but I hope I'm wrong.
You're not the only one who has lost interest in the new Camaro because of the delays. Maybe they released the concept too soon.
If you're ready to buy, I would buy the G8 and let the Camaro wait until you're ready. It will be at least a couple years before we can order one from a Chevy dealer without a long wait and/or paying a premium price. I agree...we have waited long enough. GM really missed the boat on this one. It's been 6 years now since the last Camaro went out of production, and there's 2 new Mopar "Pony Cars" in play now in addition to the Mustang. There are not a lot of buyers for this type of car and GM has been out of the market for too long.
The new Camaro concept looks like it will be a beautiful car, but I'm afraid it may suffer the same fate as the GTO. A short run vehicle with low sales....but I hope I'm wrong.
You're not the only one who has lost interest in the new Camaro because of the delays. Maybe they released the concept too soon.
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There are Options Mike!!!!
Hey Mike,
I don't know old you are this year and where you are in life...... though I can share some of your disappointments and necessity of making a purchase on another vehicle, though I own 2 other cars besides my two 4th generation Trans Am.
I share your enthusiasm and many others about the Camaro along with the disappointments on what is to come. The Camaro V8 will be over price and markup up big time at your local dealership in the 1st year, it's a damn given. First year owner will break their bank just to put the vehicle in their driveways.
At any rate, I purchased a used 4th Gen TA just for my Daily Driver since last year. I have consistently replaced parts just to maintain that vehicle. I'm fed up with it and want to trade it in not to deal with it anymore while it is still operational. The holding out for the Camaro is a breaker. I feel the urgency to get rid of the TA while it still in prime condition.
I'm more than likely the first person to test drive the G8 in the West Coast......... the Pontiac dealerships around here did not at all markup on that vehicle, thus, don't pay markup at all!!!!!! A Pontiac Salesman called me on the G8 yesterday and mentioned that they will have an Orange one in soon. I'm debating big time and will likely do the trade in for the G8 just because it's a super descent vehicle entailing pratically the whole package where it's not overpriced. The vehicle is likely underpriced comparable to the BMW series of the same class.
By the way, the G8 is the Commodore Holden from Australia which is one of their best selling vehicle. The G8 is also manuf. for China, thus, you can be reassure that it's a stable vehicle all around.
Just check this out man, Buick (China) is looking to possibly build this Riviera for the future.. In my opinion, this vehicle's grill and front fascia is much better than that of the Camaro. We have options buddy!!!
I just saw this vehicle and was somewhat entice by it. It has gull wing doors.
This vehicle looks pretty sleek! I was interesed in the 2010 Camaro, but now seeing this vehicle, there are room for flexibility!
Since I have options, when the Camaro comes out I will hold, then sell my Saturn to pick up the Camaro once price has gone down... but by then, the options will be few and far in between..........since styling for the Mustang will change and other vehicle build will also be available. By the way, I believe that the V6 Camaros will not be markup up very much but will be MSRP a little higher than a V6 Stang.
I don't know old you are this year and where you are in life...... though I can share some of your disappointments and necessity of making a purchase on another vehicle, though I own 2 other cars besides my two 4th generation Trans Am.
I share your enthusiasm and many others about the Camaro along with the disappointments on what is to come. The Camaro V8 will be over price and markup up big time at your local dealership in the 1st year, it's a damn given. First year owner will break their bank just to put the vehicle in their driveways.
At any rate, I purchased a used 4th Gen TA just for my Daily Driver since last year. I have consistently replaced parts just to maintain that vehicle. I'm fed up with it and want to trade it in not to deal with it anymore while it is still operational. The holding out for the Camaro is a breaker. I feel the urgency to get rid of the TA while it still in prime condition.
I'm more than likely the first person to test drive the G8 in the West Coast......... the Pontiac dealerships around here did not at all markup on that vehicle, thus, don't pay markup at all!!!!!! A Pontiac Salesman called me on the G8 yesterday and mentioned that they will have an Orange one in soon. I'm debating big time and will likely do the trade in for the G8 just because it's a super descent vehicle entailing pratically the whole package where it's not overpriced. The vehicle is likely underpriced comparable to the BMW series of the same class.
By the way, the G8 is the Commodore Holden from Australia which is one of their best selling vehicle. The G8 is also manuf. for China, thus, you can be reassure that it's a stable vehicle all around.
Just check this out man, Buick (China) is looking to possibly build this Riviera for the future.. In my opinion, this vehicle's grill and front fascia is much better than that of the Camaro. We have options buddy!!!
I just saw this vehicle and was somewhat entice by it. It has gull wing doors.
This vehicle looks pretty sleek! I was interesed in the 2010 Camaro, but now seeing this vehicle, there are room for flexibility!
Since I have options, when the Camaro comes out I will hold, then sell my Saturn to pick up the Camaro once price has gone down... but by then, the options will be few and far in between..........since styling for the Mustang will change and other vehicle build will also be available. By the way, I believe that the V6 Camaros will not be markup up very much but will be MSRP a little higher than a V6 Stang.
Can take a long hard lick on my premium...... I've been following this car since 2006, seen it at car shows, saved every dollar I had to put towards the car and after all this time, I could barely stand the wait and how bad I couldn't wait to get my hands on one. I'm the definition of keeping the faith, I've set my homepage to this forum so that every day before work I could open up the browser and see and new info and pics. Now I feel retarded, for defending GM/Chevy over the 800 bagillion people who said the Camaro would be way over the price of a mustang. And they were right. I defended the interior till the end, loved it and still do. No I don't want a god damned 4 cylinder muscle car. Yeah, they had them in the 80's and that's still just as gay if not gayer then 2 guys making out in the park slightly groping each others legs. Well time to sell my current Camaro and go buy a G8, could've had a new car a long time ago had I known this damn car was going to be a rip off. Now GM could come out and give the official pricing in a month, and hey maybe the pricing won't be bad and i'll regret it. But they won't. and I'm not waiting another year for them to just tell me that it's going to be 800 million dollars for the V8 + over msrp. I've waited long enough, if I don't get headlight pictures, and ballpark pricing, the new Camaro can jog my .......
If somehow this thread isn't locked, who else is extremely disappointed?
If somehow this thread isn't locked, who else is extremely disappointed?
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Screw the Official Price!!!! It's the Freakin Dealer Markup that is the Deal Breaker for you!!!!!
Good for you on being happy driving what you have.......that's the most important thing of all. You would be on pins and needles where you park the new $40,000 Camaro? Vette owners feel that way about their vehicles all the time!!!
Good for you on being happy driving what you have.......that's the most important thing of all. You would be on pins and needles where you park the new $40,000 Camaro? Vette owners feel that way about their vehicles all the time!!!
Whatever dude, go buy a G8. You can always trade it in in a couple of years, right?
I wouldn't get too upset until I saw the official prices.
Life is too short to worry about something that might or might not happen a year from now.
I'm also looking forward to the Camaro but I'm also happy driving what I'm driving now.
I wouldn't get too upset until I saw the official prices.
Life is too short to worry about something that might or might not happen a year from now.
I'm also looking forward to the Camaro but I'm also happy driving what I'm driving now.
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I argued with Scott a few years ago about doing this with the 4th gen. They say "But the car will have more standard options". That's smoke and mirrors for not being able to price the car cheaper than a Mustang. 
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Hauling 2 x 4
Hey Hilton, I don't know about Sarcasm but have been reading this post at Camaro5.com............. At the Ford Site, run an order for a Mustang GT with all the options, you will total $35,000, add tax and licensing on to that. What's the price buddy? Now, give your Camaro a little more of a Premium build.... how much are you paying now?
I was referring to the fact that we would just not park a $40,000 Enthused vehicle in between a Gremlin and a Ford Pinto at any parking lot. Would you? Owning a higher end vehicle entail phsycological trauma when it comes to parking! As a matter of speaking, I parked further away next to a Vette at the Home Depot parking lot just the other day!!! Home Depot is just not a suitable place to park your loved vehicle based on 2 x 4s being hauled ever which way!!!
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I was referring to the fact that we would just not park a $40,000 Enthused vehicle in between a Gremlin and a Ford Pinto at any parking lot. Would you? Owning a higher end vehicle entail phsycological trauma when it comes to parking! As a matter of speaking, I parked further away next to a Vette at the Home Depot parking lot just the other day!!! Home Depot is just not a suitable place to park your loved vehicle based on 2 x 4s being hauled ever which way!!!
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Well my point is that if a Camaro is 40K, most people would find a Vette to be of better value. My daily driver was a 40K + vehicle when new and yes I regularily take it to Home Depot.
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