Who's Thinking We Are Back In The 1970's And This Will Be The Last Run Of The High Horse Power Muscle Cars!!
This Makes Me Want The Camaro Even More Now!(like I Needed Another Reason) .1970 Was The Last Run Of The Big Power ,
Will 2015 Be Our Last Run Before They Start Pushing 6 Banger
Turbo's In Our Cars!!!

 

Yeah it seems to be this will be the last of the V8s. This 5th gen Camaro will definite will be a classic. This will be my last muscle car, and I will not trade it in for nothing else. I think I will go luxury after this with the monster covered up in the garage.

 

I was thinking the same thing... this time isntead of catalytic converters, it's gonna be something like hydrogen cars... where every car is gonna have a 100-200 hp engine (even the vettes) and the technology will have to cath up once again

L-98 / TPI
Lt-x
Ls-x

all over again

 

You all need to read these two threads...

https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=527559
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=527728

Then come back to this one and see if your mentalities have changed.

 

There have been no Muscle cars built since 1970.

These cars today are performance cars as they were built designed and perform on a level the Muscle cars could only dream of.

Every Muscle car I have owned would not turn or stop.

The performance car will live on in the future. They may be smaller and lighter and be about 150 HP down from what we have today but the market will survive as there is still demand.

In fact the future cars with less mass and better technology could easily be better than todays cars.

THe V8 will be around in smaller numbers. But people will need to learn and get over the stigma that you have to have a V8. Some of the best and fastest race cars in the world have been V6 turbo 4 cylinders.

The 911 has done well in sales and racing for years with a air cooled flat 6. The water cooled has only taken it to new levels.

The ony bad side is they will be more expesive with the use of more light weight metals or composites.

 

Meh, if I don't like what happens next I'll just grab something older and wait on anything new until I like the offerings. I could easily indulge my car needs without ever buying new again. If the future stuff ticks me off enough, that's exactly what I'll do.

 

anthing with a LSX Engine would suffice for me...GTO/Firebird/Camaro/C5,C6/TBSS

I love em all, and would def work an older one instead of a 6 banger.

I just hope we still have gas, yo !

 

Thats assumes that there will be fuel available for something older........or that it will be affordable.

 

 

Go to the Future Vehicles/ Automotive News section and read the sticky on how performance cars actually died in the 1970s.

Also, right now, high horsepower muscle cars should die.

1. More horsepower means more weight.

An engine that makes high horsepower needs heavier duty components to maintain it's durability margins, so the engine's going to be heavier. Then the drivetrain is going to need to be heavier to maintain it's durability. Then we move to suspension and bigger, larger brakes. Finally, we need to make bodies that are reinforced to handle the stresses of high horsepower. The end result is 4000 pound 425 & 360 horsepower SRT8s & G8 GTs, 3900 pound 500 horsepower Mustangs, and in all probability, 3800 pound LS3 Camaros.


2. Horsepower has gotten so high, it's now a "Catch-22" situation

Regardless to testmonials of people who claim their LS1 got better fuel economy than their neighbor's Hyundai, the actual fact is that 400+ horsepower V8s and 3600-4000 pound bodies simply don't get great fuel economy. The high horsepower means more weight, more weight means more horsepower to move it, which in turns brings on more weight. Next thing you know, we have 3900 pound 500 horsepower cars that go no quicker than 3700 pound ones with 400 horsepower... and handle worse (or at the very least looses it's snappy response) to boot.


3. High horsepower numbers alone are completely irrelevent.

High horsepower numbers alone are meaningless. The 2 things that actually DO matter are "gearing" and "power-to-weight" ratio. A vehicle that has 16 pounds per horsepower is always going to be quicker and faster than a vehicle that has 20 pounds per horsepower all else being the same. Also, for day to day use, torque has a greater influence than high horsepower, especially with the proper gearing. The current 300 horsepower Mustang GT reaches 60 mph just as quick as a similar weight 340 horse LS1, and the LS1 can't get away from the Stang in most every street contest. The new Pontiac G8 GT has 360 horsepower, and runs very close to the SRT8 Charger with 425 horsepower. A 260 horse 4 cylinder Solstice GXP runs barely more than half a second behind a LS1 Corvette both to 60 mph and the quarter mile.


The other non-issue is the idea that we're going back to the dark days of the 1970s performancewise. This is also false for a number of reasons.

First, in the 70s performance was attacked on all sides. The Insurence Industry got together and started pouring surcharges on performance cars. This obliterated sales even before the government banned lead in gasoline (which killed high compression engines) mandated airpumps (which robbed horsepower), all but mandated catalytic converters (though both Chrysler and some Fords managed to avoid them till the very end of the 70s) By the time CAFE passed in 1975 and kicked in by 1977, muscle cars were long gone... more to plunging sales than any government regs (Chrysler had multiple carb 440s till '73 and Pontiac made SD455s till '75).

This time around, performance is still in demand. Cars have gotten so heavy (and horsepower numbers so high) that there is plenty of weight (and horsepower) that can be lost that when combined with a corresponding drop in horsepower, will still match or even exceed the performance of current high performance cars.

Sure a 500 horsepower Camaro sounds good. But a 3400 pound Camaro that has 300 horsepower, and properly geared would likely be just as quick. It might go only 155 instead of 175 mph, but you could round up all the people who'd actually miss that and have a decent card game in my kitchen.

 

V8's going the way of the dodo bird... stupid CAFE

 

This will be my first and last muscle car. In 1985 as my 1st car I wanted to buy a 1969 Camaro that my friend's cousin was selling for $3000 and SADLY my parents would not let me buy it. Instead some Jackass bought it and wrapped it around a telephone pole. I'll never forget it, and have been crying over it ever since. Till this day you can't even buy a project 69 for less than 10k so HOPEFULL when this car comes out in 2009/2010 I will have satisified my long overdue need for a HOT Camaro. The other generations never did it for me.

 

What a turnaround. We got the performance rolling again in the 90's, at the turn of the century gas was $1.50 a gallon....then the Camaro is cancelled, and by the time it is brought back we have gas over $3 bucks. What a revoltin' development.

 

$3.00?? u big whiners, its $4.00 over here.

 

i agree 100%