Aaron91RS

The camaro and firebird differences are mostly just in a different front nose hood and spoiler and front quarters, with the T/A having the much more agressive look. I fail to see why GM can't change a few body panels. They do on a lot of there other cross over vehicles. They make a pontiac SUV and chevy SUV that are the same except for the front clip. Keep it simple, keep the interior the same, stick a different front clip on the T/A model and maybe a spoiler change.
It's not really much different then a mustang vs' a mustang GT which adds some GFX and some headlights vs a sallen which just adds different GFX and a different front end and spoiler.
I know it doesn't matter what I say and I know the business reason isn't there to make two cars that are wildly different. But there's almost no cost difference in stamping a T'A nose cone and spoiler and a few badges and making the bird people happy. But what do I know, I don't run a hugely profitable global car business.

..but then again neither does GM.

90rocz

I'd say that it would still make sense to make a Firebird, especially on lines that are supposed to be more "module based". I mean they could run them down the same line, same chassis and all, just different modules and sheet metal, many components could be reused, just rearranged to give a Firebird a unique identity.(like under hood, and interior pieces)
Makes more sense to me than a Chevy and GMC Pick-Up.
Monte Carlo is only maintained b/c of NASCAR...not that popular on the street here, especially if Dale Jr. didn't drive one. I'd bet a VE styled Impala woould be a welcome replacement for NASCAR.

guionM

35 years ago General Motors had about 65% of the US auto market & coupes were the number 1 type of selling car. The best selling import was the VW Beetle, and all other imports combined probally equalled less than what Mustang sold last year.

Far cry from today. That's why.


Going back to all the other posts on the subject, every point you've bought up has already been gone over.

Does any sane individual think that GM wouldn't take the opportunity of making more money if it was as easy as some of you suggest? Solstice/Sky is apples next to a Camaro/Firebird orange.

Bottom line is unless the coupe market explodes, no Firebird running mate to Camaro. The only way you'll get a Firebird is if it answers a different part of the coupe market that doesn't touch GTO or Camaro.

97z28/m6

why? and how is the G5/cobalt any different as well?


i haven't heard of a good reason why they do those both and they can't do a firebird

all i've read so far are empty exuces(sp) and i don't buy it.

Good Ph.D

GM CLEARLY didn't spend ANY money on turning Cobalts into G5s... Guy said you could have a Firebird that was identical to Camaro save arrowheads instead of Bowties. No one wants that.

Solstice and Sky? Im not a math major so if people who work for GM tell me it makes sense, I'll assume it makes dollars. Believe it or not lots of people don't know GM makes Saturn so the perception thing is non-existant compared to what it was with obviously cloned Camaro/Firebird.

Zeta is not the "Camaro" platform.

Perhaps I'll say it again.

Zeta is not the "Camaro" platform.

Realistically the cheapest GTO will probably be 10k higher than the cheapest V8 Camaro, not to mention GTO is far better as a DD. There is little to no overlap there. We don't even know if Monte is still alive, let alone what wheels it will be on so lets 86 that.

Good Ph.D

The offerings will certainly be mediocre if you are using one car's budget to finance two.

Z284ever

Because GM can sell 30,000 Solstice/Sky but only 20,000 Solstice OR Sky.

Z284ever

Sounds like a description of the CTS coupe.

Good Ph.D

Camaro at 25k, GTO at 35k and CTC at 45k... Sounds right to me.

Good Ph.D

Camaro at 25k, GTO at 35k and CTC at 40k... Sounds about right?

Im thinking more in the range of the 6series than a 3coupe I guess...

Z284ever

I think more for the Camaro, less for the Caddy, and as far as the GTO.....that needs it's own thread.

Good Ph.D

Well the GTO ok, even though I think thats an adequate price we don't know ANYTHING about it so...

Where is this Cadillac gonna be aimed? Is the next gen CTS the same size as the current one? I guess I forgot the CTS is a V6 so it only stands to reason this will be...

And Camaro... I would hope not much more, for the GT equivalent V8. I think GM would play a dangerous game if they decide not to compete with the competition.

HP and everything is nice, but what makes decisions stick is... appropriately enough, the sticker.

twocamaros

all i can say its not a money issue not bringin back the firebird.. since when has gm cared about makin money?

Fbodfather

not to be a smart*** -- but would you like to tell our readers how much it would cost to do just a front clip that's different?

and no, the 4th gen Firebird did not share any body parts with the Camaro save the roof -- doors and quarter panels are different.

so the next question is: how much to make unique body panels?

Then the final question: how many additional vehicles would be expected if the Firebird were produced? (think about that for a while before you answer......)

Again-- You're preaching to the choir here about Firebird -- nothing I'd like better than to see one out there as a companion car.........but ladies and gentlemen-- look at the financial condition of GM and Ford -- if you're telling me that Firebird is going to make a big difference, ---- well ....................

Aaron91RS

Well not to be a smart *** but I can buy a brand new nose cone for my car for about $300. If I ordered 30,000 then it would probably be a hell of a lot less. T/A's have always cost more then camaro's new, so those that want one may expect to pay $1000 or two more.
I'll tell you right now I've tried and tried to like the new camaro, but I can't get over the front end. The rest is good but I can't stand the front end.
I may be alone, I may not.

I am aware the 4th gen bodys weren't the same, and thats why I am suggesting keeping more of it the same.
Again I fail to see why GM stamps two different front ends on some SUV's when the soccer moms buying them will never notice the difference. Camaro/Firebird people on the other hand will definitly notice.

There's one other little thing GM doesn't believe in anymore, but DCX certianly does.
"You can't expect to sell every type of car to every type of person, some are just image and will only be bought by a certian niche"
The viper doesn't sell big numbers, not profitiable like the ram, but they keep updating it, because it's a huge image booster.
I guess we'll see down the road who's theory is right.

I know I am preaching to the choir.