Wow, now who's in denial?

 

Enlighten me, Where is a link to the new proposed cafe standards, oh and where is the time machine you used to get info on the 2017 cafe proposals? Your making assumptions on information that hasn't even been developed yet only "rumored".

Your "Facts" are nothing but speculation, your giving into the hysteria.

Nuff said about you and your "conspiracy theories".

 

I wonder if anyone saw the editorial in this months' Motor Trend, which talks about the Congresswoman that cast the deciding vote for the 35mpg lunacy. Her reasoning was that she once saw 32mpg readout on her digital display on her car. "We're already so close."
Yep, these are the genius' running our country. I think we need a step up, maybe Forrest Gump for office.

 

Forrest Gump running the country would be like having Einstein replace the fools running it now! I'll be very interested in how the CAFE laws are written when they are finally written.
Clyde

 

Guys lets say that when 2020 gets here and the restrictions are in place, and we no longer have or they no longer make our roaring V8's( because i know most of you will be passing those V8's on to younger family members) what will satisfy our need for speed?

I know somewhere someone is thinking of an electric muscle car ( even though they'll be more like rice rockets) but still there will obviously be a market for this. because the next generation will need their fix of muscle someway, somehow. how their gonna do it i don't know but im sure it'll happen. and when it does they should be better performance cars, they'll be lighter,faster(sooner or later, probably later but still) its going to happen. but the only setback will be your electric bill, if gas stations don't have charge posts.

i don't know just guessing, cuz ethier way you look at it we are not going to have our roaring ricerocket eaters much longer.

 

Well, 12 years is a l-o-n-g time in the Auto Industry, especially today.
With all the competition, and technology, things become stale and obsolete very quickly.
By 2020 I'm sure the 35mpg mountain, will seem like a grain of sand, and we'll probably laugh about all this.
Like said above, all they have to do is offset the performance V8's with hybrids, Alt-Fuel/combo and hopefully and electric car or two.
And even possible by then, more tech advances like "DOD"; maybe selectable performace settings for V8's. Anywhere from mild gas saver setting to wild street/strip terror....who knows?

 

Here's one link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082300625.html

Here's another:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12...cafe-standard/

Oh, and here's another:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/03/g...ngine-program/

and...

http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/4171

Of course, this will also effect Toyota right? Not damn likely. Link:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-t...-deadline.html


And yes, there are those who have suggested banning cars from cities in favor of public transport. But alas, I admit that what you misconstrued as 'fact' with respect to a 50mpg standard was merely a suggestion on my part of what could happen in the future.

Finally, I don't see a reason to post a link after every sentence I post as proof to educate the ignorant. Why don't you just say that you are pro-CAFE standards, that you like them, that they will produce faster, better cars etc. And the Titanic was unsinkable.

 

Nice one...that was mature.

You need links because sometimes when people say rather outrageous things, or claim some divine knowledge...most of us 'ignorant' folk (thanks for that, btw) don't like to just 'follow'. So you'll excuse a little questioning of your claims.

 

Well taking a look at the first link I find:
"New Fuel Economy Standards Proposed
Critics Call Bush's Plan Inadequate

By Margaret Webb Pressler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 24, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration proposed higher fuel economy standards for SUVs and minivans yesterday with a new regulatory system that sets different mileage goals for six sizes of vehicles, replacing the current single standard for all light trucks."

You'll notice the date of 2005 and the word "proposed", hmmm, doesn't sound very current to me. If you going to educate the ignorant masses, how about posting a link that is a little newer than two and a half years old. I won't waste my time going to the other links, not what I would call reliable news sources, nor have any actual laws been written and passed that lay out the details of how it will work, what has been passed is a "law of intent" that will be written in the future laying out all of the gory details. I am not at all happy with the intent of the new CAFE standards, but some of your arguments are specious at best.
Clyde

 

Y'all are assuming the majority of cars will still be running with gasoline engines (or gasoline only engines) in 2020........

 

Wildpaws beat me to it,your evidence is outdated in the first instance, your 2nd article only relates what we already know that the goal is 35MPG by 2020 just not how we reach it, and your other articles cite autoblogs as sources of information(uhh great journalism here....).

The thing I'll respond to is your accusation that I'm PRO-CAFE... WELL guess what dude.. I'M NOT, but not because it has the possibility to be damaging to Americas auto manufacturers, but because its nothing more than a politically motivated move, but that is a topic for another post, in another section, on another forum.

Like I said before educate me, I still have yet to see facts on how the new CAFE will be the death of the camaro.

 

Great point!

I'm absolutely giddy that this means GM may have to bring their euro-spec Ecotec diesels to N/A. Can you imagine how cool a turbo 1.4L diesel would be in a Cobalt, or an Aveo?

Big picture people. By 2010 we had better be well on our way to phasing out gasoline powered vehicles or we're going to be in big trouble.

 

 

Dude, have you actually looked into any of this before you post, or are you one of those sound bite people?

CAFE stands for Corperate AVERAGE Fuel Economy.... Emphasize the word AVERAGE. This is the sales weighted average of all vehicles sold.

Translation: There will still be plenty of vehicles sold that get under 35 mpg. There will also be plenty of vehicles sold over 35 mpg.


Again, hysteria. Most Camaros and Mustangs MUST sell large numbers of non V8 models to survive. Mustang has a handle on this. Camaro didn't. Camaro died.

Also, 30-60,000 V8 Camaro & Mustang sales aren't volumous enough to die simply due to CAFE. More focus is going to be on the 500,000+ midsize cars GM and Ford make annually.

But the item where you WILL see alot of changes in in large Trucks and SUVs, which can't survive as is. Also, every car maker is finally adding Toyota Yaris-sized vehicle to their lineups to beef up high volume, high mpg cars.


Now you're gone off the deep end of reality.

CAFE was enacted by congress in 1975. Sales of performance cars did a nose dive after the 1969 model year. Performance cars died after the 1971 model year. What killed them was the 1-2 punch of maturing Baby Boomers plus the Insurence agancy surcharges that started in 1970.

Performance came back with the late 70s Trans Ams which matched most of the performance cars of the muscle car age (not the rarified, hard to get, top performance powerplants). Ditto Chrysler's 360 powered R/Ts and Road Runners. Performance came back again in the mid 80s when Mustangs, Turbo Daytonas, HO IROC-Zs, even turbo Thunderbirds among other rides. GM spent from '93-'02 making the quickest regular production Camaros ever made.

Unless you lived under a rock, there were plenty of performance periods since 1971. We pretty much have a burst of performance weaponry each decade.

 

In the late 60's and up through 1971, there were lots of performance cars from all of the manufacturers. Seemingly every domestic model had a high-output engine as an option.

Today, we are approaching that situation again. BMW M, Mercedes AMG, supercharged Jaguars, the Bugatti Veyron, your choice of 400, 500, or 600hp in your Corvette, V-series Cadillacs, GTO, G8, Impala/MC SS, GP and Bonneville GXP, Solstice GXP and Sky Redline, Mustang GT, GT500, GT500KR... I'm not even close to running out of high performance cars from the last few years.

The fact that you can come up with four or five from the late 70's, maybe a dozen from the mid-late 80's, and one from the 90's doesn't really compare to the situation today. I'm sure there were some you didn't mention (Corvette and Firebird in the 90's, for instance), but it still just doesn't compare.