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Old 03-22-2008 | 05:51 PM
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Ok -- Calm down.......


..........if it has a big honkin' V8 that gets good gas mileage -- and blows every other car in its class away on the drag strip -- and it is best-in-class on a road course........

..............do you REALLY care how we market it? (I keep getting emails talking about commercials with wall -to - wall burnouts -- so you want us to preach to the choir????)

The bottom line is that we have to get people to consider a Camaro that may have never considered one before. (...unfortunately there IS some baggage that goes with Camaro/Mustang/Challenger...and that baggage isn't always good......)
Old 03-23-2008 | 03:25 AM
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No big deal here. When I think of the term "muscle car", I picture old big block Chevelles and (real) Hemi Chargers and such. Camaros and Mustangs have always been pony cars to me

Besides, its just a marketing pitch anyway. Nothing to get all up in arms about. I'm pretty sure everyone knows GM's V8's will deliver the power. Now time to get the word out about the V6.
Old 03-23-2008 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fbodfather
Ok -- Calm down.......


..........if it has a big honkin' V8 that gets good gas mileage -- and blows every other car in its class away on the drag strip -- and it is best-in-class on a road course........

..............do you REALLY care how we market it? (I keep getting emails talking about commercials with wall -to - wall burnouts -- so you want us to preach to the choir????)

The bottom line is that we have to get people to consider a Camaro that may have never considered one before. (...unfortunately there IS some baggage that goes with Camaro/Mustang/Challenger...and that baggage isn't always good......)
Yet more wisdom from the father to quell the hysteria

I think some people do not understand it's the V6 sales that will provide us the opportunity for our V8s to be made. It makes no difference to me who the car is marketed to.
Old 03-23-2008 | 07:49 AM
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You guys are bend on the word MUSCLE car, the car will have the MUSCLE if you so want it, but I am not rich and think aout fuel milage, come on with gas prices rising do you really think alot of the V8 top of the lines will sell. I want one but the forcasted price put this is out of my range. And no I would never buy a v6 or 4 cylinder camaro but alot will. just my 2 cents
Old 03-23-2008 | 08:27 AM
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come on with gas prices rising do you really think alot of the V8 top of the lines will sell. I want one but the forcasted price put this is out of my range. And no I would never buy a v6 or 4 cylinder camaro but alot will. just my 2 cents
IMO, most people who are going to buy a top-dog V8 aren't that worried about MPG/gas prices and most aren't going to use them as a daily driver. It'll be a weekend car for me...and even if it gets 20mpg, it'll be better than my dd trailblazer.
Old 03-23-2008 | 08:38 AM
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I know I'm in the minority (at least if feels like it), but fuel economy is not on top of my list - it's not even on my list of concerns. I've been driving an economical car for 9 years (Honda Prelude) and I'm tired of it. I drive 60 miles per day, and intend on driving the Camaro every one of those miles.
Old 03-23-2008 | 03:22 PM
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When was the last time you got excited because you got 30MPG?

Was it anywhere near as exciting as putting your foot to the floor?

I doubt it. People say they want good fuel mileage. People say they care about the enviroment. People don't do what they say.

They still buy the big V8's (or the V6 version that still has the looks of the fast car) because that's what they really want. That's why it needs to be advertised different from a Toyota Camry!
Old 03-23-2008 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DvBoard
When was the last time you got excited because you got 30MPG?

Was it anywhere near as exciting as putting your foot to the floor?

I doubt it. People say they want good fuel mileage. People say they care about the enviroment. People don't do what they say.

They still buy the big V8's (or the V6 version that still has the looks of the fast car) because that's what they really want. That's why it needs to be advertised different from a Toyota Camry!
I do agree. While I don't really care how they are going to advertise the Camaro perse, I do care that GM doesn't ruin one immage to create another.

If GM (moreso the dealers ) makes this car accessable to enough people pricewise, and people notice how cool it looks, they will have no other choice but to go to their local Chevy dealer and drive one. Then they will be addicted to how it rides, and will want to buy one.

What I'm saying is if GM wants to sell 100,000 of these per year, I think they can. They just have to be smart about how they present it. Don't tramp all over it's herritage just to satisfy tree huggers.

On the other hand, I do kind of agree with Scott that we aren't going to sell many V6s if all we see are full scale burnouts on TV.

Advertise the handling, the sophistication of the engineering. The quality of the car.

I do think they need to advertise it, though. Get the word out.
Old 03-24-2008 | 09:24 AM
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Then at least i'd have a V8 "Muscle" car . Or even a V6 version of a "Muscle" car.

Not a V8 version of a "Green, Enviromentally safe, I take it up the *** by tree huggers" car.
Here's Ford's likely "Green, Enviromentally safe, I take it up the *** by tree huggers" car:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...0_ford_mustang

Google search "Mustang EcoBoost" for dozens of articles about this possibility. Including the EcoBoost possibly replacing the V8 altogether in the long term.
Old 03-24-2008 | 09:59 AM
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Bottom line is if the V6 Camaro fails, then all Camaro's fail.

Two things about the Camaro scare the public. #1 is RWD is bad in poor weather/snow, and #2 Camaro is a gas pig muscle car. LSD and near good weight distribution solves that RWD problem and good marketing of the V6 Camaro solves the 2nd problem. The V6 Camaro will get just as good mileage as the Malibu, Camry, Taurus, etc.. V6 and people need to know that.
Old 03-24-2008 | 01:33 PM
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no worries here...#1 concern for new car buyers is fuel economy..for chevy to not promote fuel mileage at this point would be stupid..you guys will have your honking V8's..and my daughter will have the 4 banger gas econo-wiser...simple as that..i fully support GM marketing regarding this issue..its not 1969...more like 1979.(those old enuff remember carter and stagflation)...you may also remeber carter giving a speech hinting he seeks his daughters advice on dealings with russia....years i simply do not want to see repeated
Old 03-24-2008 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric77TA
Here's Ford's likely "Green, Enviromentally safe, I take it up the *** by tree huggers" car:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...0_ford_mustang

Google search "Mustang EcoBoost" for dozens of articles about this possibility. Including the EcoBoost possibly replacing the V8 altogether in the long term.
Guess i'll just have to start a company that sells only V8 cars and says screw the idiot government since no one else seems to want to have any ***** anymore.
Old 03-24-2008 | 03:48 PM
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I the new CAFE rules and high gas prices really put a monkey wrench and the Camaro development, but hey what can you do about it. That’s the purpose of making the H3 and the Hybrid Tahoe, because gas prices have change the way people are buying vehicles. If they have to put a 4 banger, 6, or whatever it is ok with me at first it wasn’t, but I learn to live with it.
Old 03-24-2008 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DvBoard
Guess i'll just have to start a company that sells only V8 cars and says screw the idiot government since no one else seems to want to have any ***** anymore.
It's not really as much about ***** as GM and Ford simply not being able to afford the CAFE fines, or shareholder scrutiny that would result from them. Highly profitable private companies like Porsche or BMW do in fact just pay the fines for their mostly non-compliant lineups. So, your plan could work...
Old 03-24-2008 | 04:46 PM
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Its politics more than anything else. Once CAFE gets defined and target dates/goals are set, things will change.


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