actually it was pretty good for being on the fly

Being misunderstood if a pet peive of mine. I know that may sound narcisitic but I started some of the threads in favor of a b pillarless production camaro. The reason I was so adimant about it was I love the old cars look with them down. Alot of people seemed to agree in my threads as well as others. I understand all the reasons for putting the b pillars in. Ive pretty much dropped it when we found out B pillars were a sure thing, but I keep seeing and hearing "What was the big stink about anyway? Its not like you can tell" I agree you cant until you try to put them down, which of course what all the big stink was about.

Anyway took that part as the people in favor of a B pillarless car were complaining that it wouldnt look ok with all the windows up when that was never the case at all.

 

Uh...the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe is forcasted to weigh the same as a Mustang GT (35XXlbs), come with a 300-320HP NA V-6, and be offered for mustang GT/350z money (26,000ish).

So what's the fuss about? Where did this whole twin turbo under 20k crap come from? That's not what the car is going to have. They can't fit the Genesis Sedan v-8 into the car, Hyundai already announced that to the press. Buncha fuss about nothing. I DO like the styling on it, it's nice to have something fresh with no retro themes to it, but the Camaro still looks better.

It'll be competition in the same way that the nissan Z car and Mustang are. The performance target for the Genesis Coupe was, according to Hyundai, the G37 coupe, but pricing like a mustang GT.

It'll be a good solid competitor and on a track, probably a drivers race. Drag, the Camaro will annihilate it...

Nice to see the Asian car makers making some genuine muscle cars. Options are ALWAYS good for the industry and I look forward to the Genesis Coupe.

 

That's interesting on the weight, I hadn't been able to find that.

Also, the under $20K model is not - as you mentioned -a twin turbo, it's a single turbo.

Here's a couple of pics:

 

Yes but that's the base car. It's a single turbo 4 cylinder. Probably around 230hp. The higher-end car is going to be running on an NA v-6 set up, exactly like the 350Z and G37. There's no V-8, it doesn't fit in the revised coupe chassis.

Honestly, I was very excited for this car till I learned that it will weigh in at mustang levels with a less powerful and torquey V-6. That doesn't interest me. A 400hp Camaro that's 3650-3700lbs interests me, but a 3550 coupe with ~320hp isn't any more attractive to me than a Mustang GT. I DO like the Mustangs, but if the talk about the new Camaro is true (with the performance target being better in every catagory than a Mustang GT) and weight is kept low enough that it's not a total porker, that interests me more.

However, if the new Z-car (Nissan Z-car that is) is indeed running on a shortened wheelbase version of the G37 chassis and making 320 horse, that will interest me more than the Camaro, simply because it will be significantly lighter than the current Z-car (around 3400lbs). I have no brand loyalty, I don't see a reason for it. I will go with whichever vehicle I feel will be most enjoyable for me on a day to day basis, and sprightly handling, more than extreme straight line performance, is far more useable on real roads. Here's hoping they really nail the handling characteristics of the Camaro, because that is THE deciding factor for me. Because to be perfectly honest, my current 2007 Suzuki SX4 is the most fun I've had with a car, and it's got just 143hp but handles like a go-cart with a great ride and is an absolute joy to drive on remote gravel roads, a passtime I partake in on a weekly basis. And I've owned a modded corvette-engined '89 IROC-Z and a 1995 5.0 Mustang Cobra.

 

May I ask where you got that weight number from?

Thanks.
Bob

 

Interesting. Especially considering it's "wrong wheel drive".

Nice top function on the 'vert though. We had an old fellow we met on our recent trip run it up and down a couple of times just to watch the ballet. I hope Chevy sees that as "competition". As an aside ... they loved the car.

 

Yeah, I know. I'd like to see the weight of that car. I'd imagine it would have reduced content compared to the higher optioned V6.

The motor will be rated at around 215 hp, and is part the "global engine" program shared by Chrysler/Mitsu/Hyundai. The Caliber SRT4 will have it's own, 300 hp version of this engine.

For $19,900, I can't help but imagine that the turbo I4 would be the bucks down, performance enthusiast's choice. Especially with it's potential to be tuned for way more power.

 

I'd also be curious as to where you found the curb weight specs on the Hyundai.

I think it will be a good car, but demographic-wise not a likely threat to the Camaro. Most buyers I see of the Hyundai are going to be kids that spent way too much time playing Need for Speed that suddenly land medium-rung tech sector jobs. In other words, if they don't buy the Genesis, I think we'd find most of these guys behind the wheel of a Honda.

 

The expected shortened wheelbase doesn't necessarily mean much lighter. Look at the 135/335 comparison. The 1 is much smaller, but only 200# lighter. There is no way Nissan will make the Z that much smaller than it currently is, so weight savings from size will only be minimal.

Also, after what Nissan did with the G (3700#), I am even doubting it will be lighter at all -- especially if they use a modified G37 chassis. Nissan clearly is not concerned about light weight vehicles right now.

Too bad too, because a lightweight Z would be a fantastic car.

 

From one angle, that may be true.

IMO, if the base camaro can't attract 'those' types of people, it will be DOA.

 

or a 1994 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX Nice sig

 

this just in from Detroit..........


..........the sky is falling.

 

The sky is falling? Hurry get those 5th Gens. out ,so I can get one before the sky drapes the earth!!

 

Sounds more like competition for the Cobalt replacement...which the Cobalt of now would already be very competitive with, especially with the GMPP package.