COMPLETE 2010 Camaro Pricing - with OPTIONS!
10-14-2008, 07:00 AM
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Ace1252,
As far as a affordable V8 Camaro goes, since 1993 you had to buy a Z28 to get a V8 Camaro.
6 cylinders have always been a huge percentage of Camaro sales. V8s became a larger part of sales during the late '70s and '80s when the V8s were only producing 140-170hp.
And don't forget about rebates incentives. These cars will be selling near invoice, they will have rebates and they will have incentives soon after they are released.
It's a Chevy Camaro not a Ferrari, GM wants to build and sell a lot of them and they will do whatever it takes to stay a viable company and that includes taking sales away from Ford and Chrysler not to mention the Asians.
Nothing would make GM happier than to sell 150-200,000 of them a year and have them on every street corner across America.
As far as a affordable V8 Camaro goes, since 1993 you had to buy a Z28 to get a V8 Camaro.
6 cylinders have always been a huge percentage of Camaro sales. V8s became a larger part of sales during the late '70s and '80s when the V8s were only producing 140-170hp.
And don't forget about rebates incentives. These cars will be selling near invoice, they will have rebates and they will have incentives soon after they are released.
It's a Chevy Camaro not a Ferrari, GM wants to build and sell a lot of them and they will do whatever it takes to stay a viable company and that includes taking sales away from Ford and Chrysler not to mention the Asians.
Nothing would make GM happier than to sell 150-200,000 of them a year and have them on every street corner across America.
10-14-2008, 07:12 AM
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So it costs me $9,000 more to get a V8? This is the one spot where this car truly is failing at.
1) A base Mustang GT V8 will MSRP at, what, under $28,000? I know the V6 makes the same HP in the Camaro, but the Stang is faster for less money, and has the rumble of a V8.
2) Why does the Camaro V8 have to sticker at an even higher MSRP than the G8 and Challenger V8s? Both are larger vehicles.
A lot of people aren't gonna want to pay $600+ per month just to get a V8. Gas prices be damned (and look at where they're falling to now!!!), in my opinion many still want a V8. I like where the base car starts, and even the mid-level prices...but I crowed on here for about 4 years that what we needed was a base car with a V8 engine option.
Now how many of those would've sold???????????? Going into this market, right now? Its a great car, but a lot of people don't want to part with their $$$. Its just too bad it costs so much to get a V8....
1) A base Mustang GT V8 will MSRP at, what, under $28,000? I know the V6 makes the same HP in the Camaro, but the Stang is faster for less money, and has the rumble of a V8.
2) Why does the Camaro V8 have to sticker at an even higher MSRP than the G8 and Challenger V8s? Both are larger vehicles.
A lot of people aren't gonna want to pay $600+ per month just to get a V8. Gas prices be damned (and look at where they're falling to now!!!), in my opinion many still want a V8. I like where the base car starts, and even the mid-level prices...but I crowed on here for about 4 years that what we needed was a base car with a V8 engine option.
Now how many of those would've sold???????????? Going into this market, right now? Its a great car, but a lot of people don't want to part with their $$$. Its just too bad it costs so much to get a V8....
10-14-2008, 07:15 AM
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Used C5 with a freshened up, cam/heads LS1.....LS6 even. How can you not even consider it?????? The Corvette is a step up from the Camaro.....the only reason you didn't do this with a C4 is because of the L98. The LT1 in the 4th gen spanked it(stock for stock). If you're a guy/girl looking for performance and want something that can do it in comfort.....a used C5 is it. If you need a back seat....not so much so...
The only way not to consider a Vette, to the new Camaro, is if you need a back seat or are just a blinded Camaro fanatic. That, sadly enough, is not going to keep this car going. The Camaro team should have taken a page from the Corvette team.....they saved the Vette from the ax and have boosted Vette sales doing it.
In the new car arena, with the economy these days, I'm sure the Mustang will more than compete with the new 5th gen....I'm more than confidant about that.....
I really think this is a swing and miss by GM.
Of course, the future is not written......I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this......but to me it does not look good.
The only way not to consider a Vette, to the new Camaro, is if you need a back seat or are just a blinded Camaro fanatic. That, sadly enough, is not going to keep this car going. The Camaro team should have taken a page from the Corvette team.....they saved the Vette from the ax and have boosted Vette sales doing it.
In the new car arena, with the economy these days, I'm sure the Mustang will more than compete with the new 5th gen....I'm more than confidant about that.....
I really think this is a swing and miss by GM.
Of course, the future is not written......I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this......but to me it does not look good.
10-14-2008, 07:23 AM
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I think the pricing is correct for the content.
The only problem I have personally is for around $35,000 I have a lot of choices.
Figuring out best bang for the buck is tougher.
We need the publications to get their hands on these cars and show us what they will do. Real world track times, (strip and road) real world modification gains, real world MPG numbers..... I would feel a lot better hearing from a few sources how this new Camaro stacks up to other options in the same price category. (and my usual, "if the IRS will hold up to sticky drag launches".....)
How soon could production style cars be released to the media?
The only problem I have personally is for around $35,000 I have a lot of choices.
Figuring out best bang for the buck is tougher.
We need the publications to get their hands on these cars and show us what they will do. Real world track times, (strip and road) real world modification gains, real world MPG numbers..... I would feel a lot better hearing from a few sources how this new Camaro stacks up to other options in the same price category. (and my usual, "if the IRS will hold up to sticky drag launches".....)
How soon could production style cars be released to the media?
10-14-2008, 07:28 AM
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Uh...yeah...anyway...
The 2010 Camaro as a new car is an outstanding value for what you get. People are saying it is overpriced. Sure, when you compare to a used car with 40k miles on it, you bet but that really isn't a fair comparison. Some are also saying it is overpriced because it is not in their budget. That sucks but is also not a fair comparison.
My point is that for example, some people are expecting a much better car with more performance capability and tons more features to come in at a lower price point than a less-powerful and less equipped car in 2002. In a perfect world, yes but even when projecting 2002 Camaro prices to 2010 prices, it is still a very good value. My window sticker posted above shows this.
10-14-2008, 07:38 AM
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I think the Camaro costs more because its not some cheap Mustang. People think they are the same and thats just not the case.
Just by looking the V6 car I can see that GM went far above and beyond the Mustang and Challenger V6.
Just by looking the V6 car I can see that GM went far above and beyond the Mustang and Challenger V6.
10-14-2008, 07:45 AM
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Good. It's about time they started raising their standards.
10-14-2008, 08:00 AM
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10-14-2008, 08:13 AM
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Again, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING? Did you expect the SS to come in at 25K? Everybody has speculated that it would come in around this price, maybe a grand less. It blows my mind how this is turning some peoples' worlds upside down like they never could have imagined it.
10-14-2008, 08:30 AM
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According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.
10-14-2008, 08:35 AM
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Again, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING? Did you expect the SS to come in at 25K? Everybody has speculated that it would come in around this price, maybe a grand less. It blows my mind how this is turning some peoples' worlds upside down like they never could have imagined it.
This pricing pushes the car outside of a LOT of people's budgets. And that's what they're mad about. They've been drooling over this car for for what, 2-3years now? And now they learn they can't afford it. Of course they're upset.
10-14-2008, 08:37 AM
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According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.
I started a poll here, about income levels vs price to be able to purchase a new camaro : https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=642059
As i find myself in the position that i actually make less now, than i did in 2003, heck, less now than i did just 6 months ago... and i felt that the purchasing power of households versus the cost of the car would be interesting to see what folks say/ plan to do.
10-14-2008, 08:49 AM
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lol, I feel the same way about my '08, and I love that car too, but the Camaro is just a different animal w/ a different feel. W/ the Corvette, all their message boards want to know is how many coats of wax you have on it and why you don't wave more.
