Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
01-08-2006, 11:34 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by theroad64
SRT-4 vs SS Cobalt--this I know the least about, but what I do know is the SRT4 has a sixty HP advantage at the crank.
01-08-2006, 11:39 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
I think the top Camaro will be more than a match for the GT500, I don't think we need to worry about that. My guess is that it will be supercharged. I know Chevrolet doesn't need a supercharger to beat the GT500, but I think the Camaro is more likely to get a supercharger than the LS7. Also, if the rumors of the Vette going supercharged are true, I think that would make it that much more likely that the Camaro will get one too.
I would love for there to be a limited run of new 427 Yenko Camaros though.
(I know it is a little quick and sloppy but you guys get the idea)
David
I would love for there to be a limited run of new 427 Yenko Camaros though.
(I know it is a little quick and sloppy but you guys get the idea)
David
01-09-2006, 02:15 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by theroad64
SRT-4 vs SS Cobalt--this I know the least about, but what I do know is the SRT4 has a sixty HP advantage at the crank.
01-09-2006, 05:36 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
As much as I love the Mustang... and admire Ford's lead in the pony car revival (yes, exciting times ahead) there is no way I would seriously consider a Ford with the 5.4L engine. That huge undersquare design really is an unfortunate mistake... anyway, since when have Ford produced better V8 engines than GM, Chrysler? I don't believe they ever have... Camaro would have the powertrain advantage should GM want to exploit that opportunity.
01-09-2006, 08:15 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by SSbaby
there is no way I would seriously consider a Ford with the 5.4L engine. That huge undersquare design really is an unfortunate mistake... anyway
01-09-2006, 09:14 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
One thing to keep in mind when talking 4th gen vs SN95 stangs is that the 4th gen had ZERO funding its final years. Had GM wanted to up the ante in the performance wars, an LS6 is all it would have taken to compete with the Cobra. However the 4th gen's death bell had already rung, so no chance.
Now things I have a feeling are going to be different. The horsepower ceiling at Chevy is officially going through the roof with the new Z06 and rumors of even more powerful Vette. And the new Camaro isnt the dead in the water 4th gen, its a brand new generation that I'm sure GM has every intention of seeing it succeed, through sales and horsepower. Not saying its gonna stomp the mustang, but I believe there will be a Camaro for every Mustang power level.
Now things I have a feeling are going to be different. The horsepower ceiling at Chevy is officially going through the roof with the new Z06 and rumors of even more powerful Vette. And the new Camaro isnt the dead in the water 4th gen, its a brand new generation that I'm sure GM has every intention of seeing it succeed, through sales and horsepower. Not saying its gonna stomp the mustang, but I believe there will be a Camaro for every Mustang power level.
01-09-2006, 09:38 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
First of all, you guys need to stop comparing the top of the line Camaro against modded 03 Cobras. That **** is just stupid. The base Camaro will have at least 400 HP and that will be enough to bitchslap the **** out of the Mustang GT. That said, the key to a Z28 or SS competing with the GT500 is weight. If they can keep the weight around 3500 pounds, I guarantee it will be able to compete with the GT500 which is coming in at 3900 pounds for the coupe and over 4000 pounds for the vert.
Those of you who don't think we would put an LS7 in the Camaro or you don't think they would make a blown LS2 or L92 because it would have as much power as the Z06 at 500+ or more than the base C6, come on now. You damn well know the C6 is going to have at least 425 to 450 HP by the time the Camaro comes out, and the Z06 will have more than 505. **** they are just putting long tube headers on the Z06 and seeing 500 AT THE WHEELS. The LS7 is choked up from the factory and the Z06 better damn well have more than 505 HP by 2008 or 2009 if it wants to keep competing with the Viper.
Really though, I could really give a **** if the Camaro is faster or slower than the GT500, because I know that I will have a Camaro, and I will mod it either way to make it faster than it comes from the factory.
Those of you who don't think we would put an LS7 in the Camaro or you don't think they would make a blown LS2 or L92 because it would have as much power as the Z06 at 500+ or more than the base C6, come on now. You damn well know the C6 is going to have at least 425 to 450 HP by the time the Camaro comes out, and the Z06 will have more than 505. **** they are just putting long tube headers on the Z06 and seeing 500 AT THE WHEELS. The LS7 is choked up from the factory and the Z06 better damn well have more than 505 HP by 2008 or 2009 if it wants to keep competing with the Viper.
Really though, I could really give a **** if the Camaro is faster or slower than the GT500, because I know that I will have a Camaro, and I will mod it either way to make it faster than it comes from the factory.
01-09-2006, 10:07 AM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by pickardracing
Agreed.
You guys that **** and moan about a supercharger need to get a clue.
Supercharging gives you more efficient power, greater streetability, and better efficiency than a comparably powered NA car.
Christ. Anything to **** and moan.
You guys that **** and moan about a supercharger need to get a clue.
Supercharging gives you more efficient power, greater streetability, and better efficiency than a comparably powered NA car.
Christ. Anything to **** and moan.
I'm not arguing, I'm just saying it took em 5+ years to catch up
I'm all for more powerful mustangs, as much as I dislike them. I wanna see a horsepower race, because I know GM will win
01-09-2006, 06:38 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by SSbaby
That huge undersquare design really is an unfortunate mistake.
01-09-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by bossco
you guys are reading to much into that, the 3 and 4 valve engines address the problem sufficiently. Ford's big problem is displacement
Forget about a LS2. They are being replaced by the L92 (6.2L). Another thing there is no way that their will be a 400 hp base Camaro. GM is not about to build a 400 hp V6.
01-09-2006, 08:08 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Sure sure, the top camaro will prolly run over the new gt's, but how much do you think the new camaro will cost? Not sure what the Z/28 cost new in 02, but I know an optioned SS went for about 35-36. So I would guess the Z was like 31 maybe? Seeing as I just paid $28K for a fully optioned 06 GT, I don't think the camaro price will even be close to that. Yes I had camaro's all my life, but I'll tell you what, the new GT drives much better than my 02 SS. I never thought I would say I own a mustang, but Ford is definitely doing something right. I have to say I think Ford did a much better job at the retro styling as well...the tail lights and the old vette style gauges in the middle? Not my cup of tea.
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01-09-2006, 08:18 PM
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Re: Camaro X vs. Mustang GT500
Originally Posted by Diesel151Z
Sure sure, the top camaro will prolly run over the new gt's, but how much do you think the new camaro will cost? Not sure what the Z/28 cost new in 02, but I know an optioned SS went for about 35-36.
So I would guess the Z was like 31 maybe?
So I would guess the Z was like 31 maybe?
Coupe and convertible models are available. And they come in base and Z28 trim. The base coupe lists for $18,080, the convertible for $26,075. Z28 models retail for $22,495 for the coupe, and $29,590 for the Z28 convertible.
To hear real V8 thunder, you must opt for the Z28, with 5.7-liters of 310 horsepower prime mover. We called it a 350 in the olden, pre-metric, days. No matter what you call it, it rumbles. The Z28 also adds the appropriate performance suspension, along with a heavy-duty automatic transmission and power steering cooler. Like the base Camaro, the Z28 has grown wider tires this year: big, sticky P245/50ZR16 Goodyear Eagle RSAs. The Z28 convertible gets a six-way power driver's seat. A six-speed manual gearbox is offered as a no-charge option.
An SS Performance/Appearance Package ($3625) is available for the Z28 models. SS ups the horsepower ante to 325, thanks in part to forced-air induction and a wide-mouth, low restriction, dual-outlet exhaust. An SS-only rear spoiler adorns the back deck. Big 17-inch aluminum wheels shod with enormous P275/40ZR17 speed-rated Goodyear Eagle F1 tires are mounted on the corners. They complement a High-Performance Ride and Handling Package that further stiffens the Z28 suspension with beefier shock and spring rates.
If that's not quite enough, SS buyers can add the 35th Anniversary Package ($2500), featuring traction control, a Hurst short-throw shifter, and a 12-disc CD changer. All 35th Anniversary Camaros will be painted Bright Rallye Red and decorated with broad silver racing stripes; black-accented, machined-face alloy wheels; special identification; and ebony leather with gray inserts for the interior.
To hear real V8 thunder, you must opt for the Z28, with 5.7-liters of 310 horsepower prime mover. We called it a 350 in the olden, pre-metric, days. No matter what you call it, it rumbles. The Z28 also adds the appropriate performance suspension, along with a heavy-duty automatic transmission and power steering cooler. Like the base Camaro, the Z28 has grown wider tires this year: big, sticky P245/50ZR16 Goodyear Eagle RSAs. The Z28 convertible gets a six-way power driver's seat. A six-speed manual gearbox is offered as a no-charge option.
An SS Performance/Appearance Package ($3625) is available for the Z28 models. SS ups the horsepower ante to 325, thanks in part to forced-air induction and a wide-mouth, low restriction, dual-outlet exhaust. An SS-only rear spoiler adorns the back deck. Big 17-inch aluminum wheels shod with enormous P275/40ZR17 speed-rated Goodyear Eagle F1 tires are mounted on the corners. They complement a High-Performance Ride and Handling Package that further stiffens the Z28 suspension with beefier shock and spring rates.
If that's not quite enough, SS buyers can add the 35th Anniversary Package ($2500), featuring traction control, a Hurst short-throw shifter, and a 12-disc CD changer. All 35th Anniversary Camaros will be painted Bright Rallye Red and decorated with broad silver racing stripes; black-accented, machined-face alloy wheels; special identification; and ebony leather with gray inserts for the interior.
Seeing as I just paid $28K for a fully optioned 06 GT, I don't think the camaro price will even be close to that.
Yes I had camaro's all my life, but I'll tell you what, the new GT drives much better than my 02 SS.
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